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#2075512 - 05/02/13 01:58 AM Underrated and overrated pianists?  
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Overrated: Valentina Lisitsa

Underrated: Ingrid Fliter

Who do YOU think is over/underrated?

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#2075514 - 05/02/13 02:00 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Joel - come back to our thread! We need you! laugh

Valentina, a bit, yes. Lang Lang is much more overrated, though.


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So?


I guess I should make an edit.

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#2075522 - 05/02/13 02:03 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Joel - come back to our thread! We need you! laugh

Valentina, a bit, yes. Lang Lang is much more overrated, though.


Definitely, but that was too obvious! Haha.

#2075525 - 05/02/13 02:04 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Few things are so overrated as rating pianists.


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#2075702 - 05/02/13 08:38 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: BDB]  
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Originally Posted by BDB
Few things are so overrated as rating pianists.


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#2075724 - 05/02/13 09:17 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Underrated(meaning not mentioned much at PW but terrific pianists IMO): Kobrin, Achucarro, Annie Fischer, Biret, Conrad Tao, Dong Hyek Lim, Feinberg, Fiorentino, Hae Sun Paik, Janina Fialkowska, Novaes, Maria Tipo, Jonathan Plowright, Gregory Ginsburg, and countless others.

In general I think far too small a number of pianists are discussed at PW. It's as if the entire realm of pianists consisted of 20 or so pianists like Horowitz, Richter, Sokolov,etc. In reality I think there are several hundred pianists well worth listening to.

Same thing for discussion of composers at PW. As great as Chopin is, I get the impression that some PW posters devote 90% of their listening and discussion to Chopin.

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#2075760 - 05/02/13 10:07 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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#2075772 - 05/02/13 10:29 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Overrated IMO: Glenn Gould.
Underrated: Any great pianist not widely known.


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#2075776 - 05/02/13 10:40 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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In the recent biography of Adele aus der Ohe there is an interesting quote from a n 1899 article in the New York Times:

It does not really matter who is the greatest living pianist. The only question is who is worth hearing? And Mr. Paderewski is not the only one. The American habit is to try and found out who is the best and then refuse to hear any other. It is a remnant of our Yankee origin, this habit, for it is only an attempt to save money.

Every artist, who has risen to sufficient distinction to claim public attention has something which none of the others have...You may go to hear every pianist in the world except d'Albert without hearing what d'Albert will play to you...No man would say hat Mr. Mansfield's Richard II was enough. He would ask you if you had seen Edwin Booth....

Adele aus der Ohe does not play the Emperor Concerto as d'Albert plays it, but that is nor reason why you should not hear both. Neither of these artists exhausts Beethoven. That is one of the lovely things about works of genius....

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#2075821 - 05/02/13 11:16 AM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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That's a wonderful quote Pianoloverus.

#2076645 - 05/03/13 01:01 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Zoltán Kocsis is underrated.

Horowitz and Richter are overrated.

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#2076661 - 05/03/13 01:20 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Underrated: Natan Brand
Dianne Yoffe
Geza Anda
Eric Heidesick
Bruce Hungerford
Wael Farouk

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#2076689 - 05/03/13 02:24 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Anton Nel
Andre Laplante
Lee Luvisi
Zoltan Kocsis
Kun-Woo Paik
Sergio Fiorentino
Rudolf Firkusny
Koji Attwood smile

#2076697 - 05/03/13 02:34 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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I think the underrated list is quite large. The sad fact is that a huge number of really great artists never make it to the limelight.



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#2076781 - 05/03/13 05:38 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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To the question should be added: dead or alive laugh

Somebody wrote hear Idil Biret as underrated o_O
I have few Chopin CD's of her (each of them i got from somebody) and these are the worst Chopin interpretations I have in my entire colletions. To be honest, I cannot listen to them.

Underrated:
Boris Giltburg
Simon Trpceski
Earl Wild - I think it's too less of talks about him than should be
Piotr Anderszewski
Arthur Schoonderwoerd
Polina Leschenko - I found by accident on youtube and... got love in her playing. Listen to the 6th Liszt - Paganinty study, what an immense playing!

Many people which don't want or didn't have the luck in their piano career and promotion

Overrated?
Lang Lang, Grimaud... in some way I think, Stephen Hough (he is just not convincing me with his playing, same as beauty Helen, dozens of "young piano superstars" (I mean below 30 years old) which are acclaimed to be the phenomenal artists, but each of them play exactly in the same way.

PS wrote by fan of Samson Francois, Zimerman, Lazar Berman, Weissenberg, Yuja Wang, Cziffa, Wunder, Hamelin, young Pogorelich, Horowitz, Volodos and Pletnev.

#2076789 - 05/03/13 05:50 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: kapelli]  
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Originally Posted by kapelli

Somebody wrote hear Idil Biret as underrated o_O
I have few Chopin CD's of her (each of them i got from somebody) and these are the worst Chopin interpretations I have in my entire colletions. To be honest, I cannot listen to them.
Try listening to her performances of other composers. I don't particularly like the little Chopin I have heard her play but I've heard her play many other composers both live and on YouTube. She got a terrific reception at the Mannes IKIF some years ago from an audience with many conservatory students. If you read her biography at her website, you may find it harder to so bluntly criticize her as her accomplishments are quite extraordinary.

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#2076799 - 05/03/13 06:13 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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Underrated pianists ? Now, let me see... Me ! Of course. I can't believe my name hasn't been mentionned in this thread !

No, let's be serious. Inger Södergren, Maria Tipo, Rosalyn Tureck, Tatiana Nikolayeva, Anne Queffelec, Annie Fischer, Ivan Moravec, Lili Kraus, Louis Lortie, Anton Kuerti, Nelson Freire, Yves Nat, Cristina Ortiz, Emanuel Ax, Tamas Vasary, Zoltan Kocsis, John Browning, Andrzej Wasowski, John Lill.

I'm sure there are many others.

#2076827 - 05/03/13 07:58 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: kapelli]  
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Originally Posted by kapelli

Overrated?
Lang Lang, Grimaud..


You know, I was having trouble thinking of pianists who I would think of as overrated, but after you said Grimaud, I do think she might be a bit. I don't quite get her interpretations, or maybe I feel that she's a bit too overconfident on playing pieces the wrong way stylistically. I listened to a version she did of Berceuse by Chopin and while I liked it in a certain way, it was sort of over articulated, a bit like Bach. Yet I got the feeling she did that on purpose. It seems like some music is too holy to mess around with that way. But I suppose one man's Grimaud is another man's. . . (I don't know how to complete that sentence)

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Originally Posted by mermilylumpkin
Originally Posted by kapelli

Overrated?
Lang Lang, Grimaud..


I respect anyone's opinion that Lang Lang is overrated... only after they've heard him in concert play Bach or Schubert.

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Why, does he do a bitchin' Bach and Schubert? I might need to go to Youtube and look this up!

#2076842 - 05/03/13 08:29 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: mermilylumpkin]  
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Originally Posted by mermilylumpkin
Why, does he do a bitchin' Bach and Schubert? I might need to go to Youtube and look this up!


I'm not sure if his more recent solo playing is on YouTube. I'm in the minority group that holds that, in addition to his popular concertizing, he's capable of producing extraordinarily nuanced and faithful performances when he wants to. Here's a review I wrote of his recital a year ago:

review


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#2076845 - 05/03/13 08:32 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: JoelW]  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMbBZky-gA Hey, look! I was just watching this as you replied. It's lovely I think. He does a very lyrical Bach.

Haha, I agree with the "partial Lang Lang apologist" on this one.

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Originally Posted by mermilylumpkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMbBZky-gA Hey, look! I was just watching this as you replied. It's lovely I think. He does a very lyrical Bach.



I could almost tolerate the Prelude, but then the Allemande made me hit the mute button. Ridiculous.



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#2076905 - 05/03/13 10:59 PM Re: Underrated and overrated pianists? [Re: mermilylumpkin]  
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Originally Posted by mermilylumpkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMbBZky-gA Hey, look! I was just watching this as you replied. It's lovely I think. He does a very lyrical Bach.

Haha, I agree with the "partial Lang Lang apologist" on this one.


Lang Lang has the ability to be the best damn pianist in the world if you ask me. He just lets his crude showmanship destroy his musicality so often. It's a real shame. Maybe as he ages he will steer further away from that.

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Originally Posted by mermilylumpkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMbBZky-gA Hey, look! I was just watching this as you replied. It's lovely I think. He does a very lyrical Bach.

Haha, I agree with the "partial Lang Lang apologist" on this one.


What I heard in concert was much *quieter* than what I hear in these recordings, but I stand by my basic opinions. It's not how I would play them, but I find these interpretations riveting.

-J


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Next you're going to tell us you enjoy Gould's Chopin 3rd. (Well, it could be worse. ha)


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Originally Posted by beet31425

What I heard in concert was much *quieter* than what I hear in these recordings, but I stand by my basic opinions.

I have never heard LL live, and I have none of his recordings in my library. LL's YT videos are rather distressing, but if a live venue has worked for you, then I respect your opinion.

And yet -with the possible exception of the Yellow River Concerto- is his playing anything more than just fabulous in its technical address, or would it possibly be remembered more in the annals of pianistic history?


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I can honestly say I've never felt anyone was significantly under- or overrated. I've often felt that individuals or particular groups underrate or overrate pianists -- usually involving failure to appreciate aspects that legitimately make some pianists admired, or idiosyncratic high regard for pianists that don't enjoy general renown -- but if we're talking about predominant general views, I can't think of anyone at all that I think has been significantly misjudged.

So there! grin

edit: One exception, sort of -- and OpusMaximum mentioned him:

Originally Posted by Opus_Maximus
Underrated:....
Eric Heidsieck

(spelling corrected) grin

This is sort of quibbling about vocabulary, but....I wouldn't say he's underrated, just underrecognized. I think most people who are aware of his playing rate him as he deserves -- which is very, very high.

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