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Buyer Remorse v Buyer Rejoice!
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I thought it would be interesting and beneficial to hear about your piano buying experience with the benefit of hindsight/after the 'honeymoon'. I have read lots of posts here about specific purchases however many seem to end at 'delivery' and we don't find out whether the piano is meeting their longer term expectations.

I know everyone has different tastes and needs so I'm not necessarily looking for brand/size recommendations as such - it's more about what you thought you wanted versus how you feel about what you got....if that makes sense! These questions may help. TIA.

1) Did you choose a grand or vertical and why?
2) What brand/model and size?
3) Did you purchase new or used and why?
4) How did the piano sound at home V where you 'test drove' it?
5) What was your initial reaction to the purchase? Any immediate regrets?
6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?
7) On a scale of 1 to 10 (what was I thinking? crazy to couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?
8) What is your dream piano?


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1) I bought a grand for greater hand comfort as I was recovering from an injury (had difficulty learning ergonomic technique on the upright). Maybe now my playing ability is starting to justify it too.
2) Baldwin R, 5'8"
3) Used, 1989. I played dozens of new and old pianos, and I was able to get far better piano for the money buying used. I'd call it a semi-private sale, as I bought from a technician who offered a year of service and trade-in on my old piano.
4) The piano actually sounds better in my home, because it had been positioned against a wall that caused a bit of interference and harsh sound in the very low bass. Here it's good.
5) I was thrilled to have such a beautiful piano in both looks and sound (it's walnut, pretty)
6) Since I spent 6 months looking both in town and at a distance, I know I got the best deal I could and feel very happy.
7) 9. I love this piano, but my absolute ideal would have a bit lighter and smoother touch (I feel it's better to practice on the slightly heavier action, though)
8) C Bechstein 212 (but wouldn't say no to a Bösendorfer and would have to play some fancy ones that I haven't encountered yet)


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1) I suppose you mean grand or upright. Vertical = upright. wink
I bought a grand, because they have a better (more precise) action.
2) Yamaha C2 SG (Silent), 1,73 m (5'8")
3) New. Hard to find pre-owned grand pianos with built-in silent system. From a dealer.
4) About the same. I underestimated the power such a grand piano has (the showroom was much bigger than my living room).
5) After a small problem with the silent system was fixed: No immediate regrets.
6) Having played mostly on a digital piano for years, I had to adjust that an acoustic piano sort of lives; like: Not all notes sound the same; and there can be vibrations. But apart from that: Great action, good sound. My piano playing time has increased significantly.
7) 8 or 9. This piano is best for my apartment; but maybe my apartment is still too small for a grand.
8) My dream would be a house with good soundproofing, full of grand pianos. wink There would be Fazioli, Bösendorfer, Yamaha, Grotrian-Steinweg, August Förster, Sauter, Steingraeber, Steinway, and many more.


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Originally Posted by B&W
1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why?
Vertical. Space, lived in a small condo at the time.

Originally Posted by B&W
2) What brand/model and size?
Vogel 121

Originally Posted by B&W
3) Did you purchase new or used and why?
My husband was smitten by it. I was pretty much a novice.

Originally Posted by B&W
4) How did the piano sound at home...
It was and continues to be wonderful.

Originally Posted by B&W
5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase?
Love it.

Originally Posted by B&W
Any immediate regrets?
No.

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6) Do you have any regrets longer term?
Apart from wishing to be able to house and afford a top tier grand...

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7) On a scale of 1to 10 ...
10 for satisfaction

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8) What is your dream piano?
I'd love to do a world tour playing pianos to figure this out!


Learner
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[quote=B&W]1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why?

Grand because I always wanted one and started with a Studio then Baby and finally a Grand. Action and bass is just too amazing.
Originally Posted by B&W
2) What brand/model and size?

Young Chang Y185 6'1"
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3) Did you purchase new or used and why?

New because of financing options and I like new things except for computer parts lol
Originally Posted by B&W
4) How did the piano sound at home...

Much better since it is a smaller area. Bass is much stronger and I can hear a lot more of the smaller details that I missed at the store...
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5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase?

Not good because of one key having one annoying sound that the tuner blamed on my "super human" ears. Luckily they finally decided to send their main person, the one that tunes their pianos for concerts instead of that other tuner.

Originally Posted by B&W
Any immediate regrets?

Because of the key issue I went to a different store to try a Yamaha and a Knabe....I felt even better about my Young Chang purchase as the price/performance ratio imho is outstanding.

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6) Do you have any regrets longer term?

Not really. I bought the best and biggest I could afford. I would have had one if I had kept the baby knowing I could get the Grand.
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7) On a scale of 1to 10 ...

8 (this should be a 10 after next Saturday that the tuning and other things are improved..hopefully)

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8) What is your dream piano?

I have never played a real high end one...but I always liked Bösendorfer because...it was the first VST piano library I ever tried..it is the one that Valentina likes (not debates there please lol) and that is one darn cool sounding name! laugh

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*Young Chang Y185 6'-1"

*Baldwin Hamilton Studio '67 (gone)

*Young Chang Y150 (Del F design) (gone)
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1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why? Was it space, price, your playing ability justified it etc.

Grand...you only live once...

2) What brand/model and size?

Estonia L190 6' 3"

3) Did you purchase new or used and why? Was it price, availability/local market, warranty, dealer or private?

New...should of looked used...

4) How did the piano sound at home (or wherever it lives) compared to the location where you 'test drove' it? Mellower, brighter, louder, quieter etc?

Louder and suckier

5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

Too many to mention

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

Wish I bought another brand and went with satin finish.

7) On a scale of 1 (what was I thinking? crazy ) to 10 (Couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?

Big old 3

8) What is your dream piano?

Not sure...probably Baldwin SF-10

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1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why? Was it space, price, your playing ability justified it etc.

Grand... I wanted a grand, and the biggest one I could afford. smile

2) What brand/model and size?

Yamaha C7 7'4" (circa 1978)

3) Did you purchase new or used and why? Was it price, availability/local market, warranty, dealer or private?

Used... couldn't afford new; I could afford the piano I bought; private sale/church.

4) How did the piano sound at home (or wherever it lives) compared to the location where you 'test drove' it? Mellower, brighter, louder, quieter etc?

It sounded about that same... great! (maybe a little louder) smile

5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

My reaction was wow, what a piano! I think I got a great deal! Absolutely NO regrets.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

No regrets at all... however, I thought the piano had been rebuilt at some point in the past; turns out it was in great original condition (not rebuilt). Still, no regrets.

7) On a scale of 1 (what was I thinking? ) to 10 (Couldn't be happier ) - how would you rate your piano?

9.5!! thumb

8) What is your dream piano?

The one I have... or maybe a Steinway B? smile

Rick


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1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why? Was it space, price, your playing ability justified it etc.

A grand piano was my dream and became my target. I had the space and started with a 25K budget. I was a true piano beginner when I started my search - which ended successfully almost a full year later.

2) What brand/model and size?

I started my search with no particular brand in mind. Premium pianos were obviously excluded due to $$$. Optimum size was between 6-7ft. (My husband suggested moving the furniture out of the front parlor and cramming in a used 9ft concert grand, which I ignored as overkill for a past-middle-age beginner's needs.)

3) Did you purchase new or used and why? Was it price, availability/local market, warranty, dealer or private?

Initially started by reviewing new pianos but moved the search over to "lightly used" as the brand possibilities were more inclusive. I listened to many brands over the months to narrow the search. Shifted back to "new" after deciding on a short list of four brands. (One of which would have been a serendipitous find as it was no longer being made) I informally selected a new piano of a make/model/price close to my original budget but was holding off as it didn't feel right. Then "my" piano showed up and that was it.

4) How did the piano sound at home (or wherever it lives) compared to the location where you 'test drove' it? Mellower, brighter, louder, quieter etc?

My piano was sitting in a 12,000sqft home's enclosed atrium when I 'test drove'. It's a tiny bit more intense (loud) in my smaller home but otherwise no difference.

5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

My immediate reaction was a "stupid dance" and some crazy jumping up and down. (In the privacy of my own home) grin There were no initial regrets. My piano "spoke" to my heart even though he was badly in need of a tuning.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

No, no, no, no, no. A year and and half later and no regrets. However, I undershot my budget by a significant amount and have a piano I love, love, love so there's no "what was I thinking" eating away in the back of my mind.

7) On a scale of 1 (what was I thinking? crazy ) to 10 (Couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?

Couldn't be happier. heart

8) What is your dream piano? Probably one of the Bechsteins, but I don't know that having one would make me any happier.

I think the best choice is to select a piano that speaks to you musically, not one that makes others applaud how intelligent your decision was.


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Did you choose upright or grand?

Grand, because I had an upright and it was not meeting my needs or demands anymore.

What brand or model did I choose?

I was looking for a 7' grand piano. Beyond that I did not have a particular brand in mind.

Did you purchase new or used?

Used. For the brands of pianos I was interested in, I could not afford new.

How does the piano sound at home?

Fabulous!!! We build an addition to our home which is a 40' x 22' great room with cathedral ceiling. I could give concerts!!!

Satisfaction with sale?

Very satisfied!!

Do I have long term regrets?

No

On a scale of 1 to 10 rate your piano.

9 to 9.5 I suppose there is a 10 out there somewhere that I never tried. So, I won't put my piano at a 10. But, it's a 10 in my mind!

What is your dream piano?

The Mason & Hamlin I have now is my dream. This piano is concert quality. It was rebuilt with no expense spared. Regulated and finished by a master craftsman. It's everything I ever wanted or dreamed of having. Big sound, Resounding base, bell like treble. Capable of delicate ppp. I could not be happier!!


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1) Grand
2) Steinway B
3) Used due to price, availability, and dealer
4) Piano sounds better in my house, much better sustain.
5) Deliriously happy!
6) Would like to have spent less if it were possible, but I doubt I could have found more for less.
7) 9.5
8) A bigger Steingraeber, maybe, but only if I win the lotto.

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1) Did you choose an upright or vertical and why? Was it space, price, your playing ability justified it etc.

Upright - lack of space, lack of $, and I thought lack of justification for a grand

2) What brand/model and size?

Knabe WMV247 ... 47" upright

3) Did you purchase new or used and why? Was it price, availability/local market, warranty, dealer or private?

New, from a dealer because of the warranty and great negotiation with the store owner. We were looking at new pianos after looking at used ones and not finding what we wanted.

4) How did the piano sound at home (or wherever it lives) compared to the location where you 'test drove' it? Mellower, brighter, louder, quieter etc?

It sounds louder! Of course, it was in a showroom and now it's in the dining-room-turned-music-room. I've moved it away from the wall quite a bit. The tone is the same as the showroom however, which is what I fell in love with.

5) What was your initial reaction in terms of satisfaction with the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

No regrets.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

No regrets long term, but I know this is not our last piano and we will eventually get a grand and just make it fit in our home smile

7) On a scale of 1 (what was I thinking? crazy ) to 10 (Couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?

9 ... Because I know I want a grand eventually

8) What is your dream piano?

A grand piano that speaks to me. I don't care the name or whether its new or used, so long as it speaks to me ... Preferably in a black satin finish smile


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Dear Tararex, What did you end up buying?


Sometimes you know not what you want until you know what you've got is not what you want - anonymous
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1) Upright. Why? Space, late beginner.
2) Model: Schiedmayer & Soehne, 55", 1925
3) Used. Why? Quality, price, availability. Private sale.
4) Mellower.
5) Little used, but required much servicing. No regrets.
6) Exceeded expectations: touch, repetition, tone, sustain, keys, build, casework after repairs.
7) Rating 10.
8) Dream pianos? Upright: this one. Grands (1900-40): Ibach, Schiedmayer & Soehne, Pfeiffer.


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Thanks for the great replies. It's nice to see that most people are happy with their choice.
I'm in my 40's and I've only been playing for about 6 months with no previous piano experience. About 3 weeks in, I bought a Yamaha CVP501 (I was about to start lessons and needed something better than an old cheap small digital keyboard). At the time I didn't know how long I would stick at it and knew virtually nothing about pianos. The 501 is a great instrument for what it is however it has so many bells and whistles I can't ever see myself using. In addition I have lessons on a Kawai vertical and am beginning to discover the differences between digital and acoustic. My real desire is to learn the piano.
I've now started researching acoustics; the more I look the more confused I get. I have room for either a G or V. I'm kind of leaning toward a reasonable vertical (prob 2nd hand) as a stepping stone. What are your thoughts in conjunction with your own experiences?


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1) Did you choose a grand or vertical and why?

Upright, I don`t have space for a grand.

2) What brand/model and size?

Sauter 108 studio.

3) Did you purchase new or used and why?

Used. Because I was lucky enough to find someone who had no idea what he had nor what it was worth. Got it for 300 euros.


4) How did the piano sound at home V where you 'test drove' it?

When I first saw it it was in a private house and sounded appalling, not having been tuned for at least 20 years. It sounded much better after two pitch-raising tunings and a fine tune and better still after action regulation and key easing.

5) What was your initial reaction to the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

Delighted. No regrets at all.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

No regrets.


7) On a scale of 1 to 10 (what was I thinking? crazy to couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?

10, anything less would be churlish.

8) What is your dream piano? [/quote]

I recently played a new Bechstein concert grand and I thought the sound and feel were quite lovely. I am obliged to reflect however that it would cost about 400 times what I paid for the Sauter.....


J-C.

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Originally Posted by B&W
My real desire is to learn the piano.
I've now started researching acoustics; the more I look the more confused I get. I have room for either a G or V. I'm kind of leaning toward a reasonable vertical (prob 2nd hand) as a stepping stone.

Ah. You're looking for a gateway drug towards piano addiction. wink

My suggestion: If you want to learn the piano, and if you have neighbors: Choose a vertical piano or a not too big grand piano with a built-in silent system. Seriously practicing a piece or exercise can be challenging even for patient neighbors.
Problem: AFAIK there are not many pre-owned pianos with built-in silent systems on the market.

But if you live alone in a house with no neighbors, and money is not an issue: Go for grand. You will have more fun playing a grand piano than a vertical piano. About size: Make sure your room is big enough for a grand. Don't put a 9-footer in a room with only 100 square feet. Makes as much sense as keeping a lion for a pet.

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My grand piano is a Yamaha C2 SG.
My other Yamaha is an XMAX 300.
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1) Did you choose a grand or vertical and why?

Upright piano because of space constraints. I live in a 2 bedroom condo. The future baby room is currently where my piano sits.

2) What brand/model and size?

Yamah U1, 48 in

3) Did you purchase new or used and why?

Purchased brand new. Initially going to purchase a 15 year old U1 but I got a really good deal from the dealer.

4) How did the piano sound at home V where you 'test drove' it?

A lot louder lol. But the tone sounds about the same.

5) What was your initial reaction to the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

Excited! My only regret is I can only play until 6pm at night or neighbors might complain.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

I'm completely happy with my piano. It's something I can grow with (I'm a beginner). At this point, even if I had the money and the space, I don't think I'd be worthy of a grand piano anyway. But, that's something I'm looking forward to in the future.

7) On a scale of 1 to 10 (what was I thinking? crazy to couldn't be happier 3hearts ) - how would you rate your piano?

A 10! I love my Johann (yes I named him after Bach)

8) What is your dream piano?

Something that I can't afford and don't have a space for.


Adult beginner since January 2013. My only regret is that I didn't learn sooner.
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1) Did you choose a grand or vertical and why?

Grand - I'm a working pianist.

2) What brand/model and size?

1906 S&S-C, 7'5" - Totally rebuilt 2006

3) Did you purchase new or used and why?

Inherited the piano (non-family)

4) How did the piano sound at home V where you 'test drove' it?

Still in same location

5) What was your initial reaction to the purchase? Any immediate regrets?

Blown Away! - No regrets at all.

6) Do you have any regrets longer term? Wish you had bought bigger, smaller, grand, upright, different brand/model, spent more or less, color?

Not at all.

7) On a scale of 1 to 10 (what was I thinking? to couldn't be happier) - how would you rate your piano?

10+

8) What is your dream piano?

My dream has come true.


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Obviously, Marty, the Steinway C fit your space. Luc in "The Piano Shop on the Left Bank" wasn't that lucky.


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Dear Tararex, What did you end up buying?


A 2002 Pramberger JP 185. It had the clean/robust tone I was searching for and an action it's doubtful I'll ever be able to over-torque.

Its not flowery, overly fundamental or throaty. The only others I found with that "just right" tone were $$$$ over my price limit. Both classical and modern pieces sound natural on it.

None of the brands I budgeted for made me smile like this one did from that first press of E3. (Yes, I still remember.)

There were better intellectual choices on my plate but I was choosing a friend, not an investment.


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