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Has anyone seen sheet music / a transcription of Volodos' transcription of Tchaikovsky's Lullaby in a Storm? here is a vid from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh5Ga0OELYY


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I can't speak to your question about a score, but I can say thanks for posting that. I loved it. I am such a fan of the way he plays.


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Rachmaninov crossed with Tchaikovsky with a dash of Horowitz.

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no one? it's so good!


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Originally Posted by iron_bull
no one? it's so good!


How do you know sheet music for it exists?




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I would love to hear more from Volodos, beyond virtuosic transcriptions. Not there is anything wrong with those, but they do not lend themselves to careful extended listening. I tire of them relatively quickly.
This site (pianistique.com) has been mentioned here before. But I find Dimitri Bashkirov's comments on his ex-student Volodos to be quite interesting. Below are his answers to Willem Bone (the site owner).
I think Volodos is enormously talented but I have not yet heard him in wider repertoire beyond short works and transcriptions. He has a recently released CD that includes Valses Nobles et Sentimentales and Waldeszenen, as well as a mix of short pieces and possibly the White Mass sonata (his CD track list only mentions Op. 64 No.7 without composer indication, but the title covers only one track suggesting a single movement).


WB: Which compositions did Volodos study with you?
DB: Almost everything he played during the first two years of his career, the transcriptions he played on his first CD, the G-major Sonata by Schubert, Schumann’s Bunte Blätter, Scriabin’s 5th Sonata, Beethoven’s 5th Piano Concerto. He has a god given talent, he is exceptional. Richter was one of the greatest artistic personalities during the second half of the 20th century, however people always said he had no god given virtuosity and he needed to work hard for everything. Volodos practices very little, everything goes automatically and that’s dangerous. You cannot and should not be lazy! He has incredibly harmonic hearing. When he studied with me, there were a few things that were very important to me: I told him “Please Arcadi, do not play in such a way that critics write that you are “a second Horowitz”, you shouldn’t be a second, third or fourth Horowitz, you should be Arcadei Volodos, so please do not copy anything. Of course, Horowitz is wonderful, but it is better to listen to old masters like Hoffman, Rosenthal, Godovsky and Friedman to hear this esthetic virtuosity. I also told Volodos to never play loudly, and he succeeds in this, he can play ffff without making it sound harsh. I hate that!

WB: Why does Volodos never play Chopin?
DB: He is very random in his choices. When he doesn’t want to, you can’t do anything about it. I have told him: “Arkadi, you should play the Hammerklavier sonata or Brahms Sonatas or Mozart. When you understand the principles of interpreting music from Viennese composers, you can play Mozart’s music beautifully, but he doesn’t want to, so what can I do? At the moment, I work with a very gifted young Russian, a 14 year old pianist, to whom I can say: “You have to do this or that”, but Volodos was already 24 years old when came to work with me. His career started late. I think it is a pity that he doesn’t play any classical repertoire. There a few things he would do superbly, I hope he will come to it later....

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I've heard Volodos several times(quite a while ago) at Carnegie Hall. While he may not play any/much Beethoven or Chopin he has played several Schubert Sonatas, several Scriabin Sonatas, longer Liszt works like the Dante Sonata and Valee d' Obermann, and Schumann suites including Kreisleriana, Bunte Blatter, Forest Scenes. His programs cetainly don't just consist of short pieces and transcriptions.

Have you heard him live?

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus

Have you heard him live?


No. which is why I said "I would love to hear more". Most of the YT samples are transcriptions.
I will try to catch him if he comes by town again. How did you like his concert?

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Most are transcriptions? That is not true at all. There is loads of stuff on youtube. Your comment "I would love to hear more from Volodos, beyond virtuosic transcriptions." is really quite puzzling. This film comes as an encore from a concert that consists of almost nothing but large scale works, as one of only two transcriptions performed. The other one was transcribed by Bach and even the Tchaikovsky is not exactly a virtuosic arrangement. His current programme contains both the Schumann Humoreske and Faschingswank. If you're aware of what he does, there's absolutely no basis for that judgement at all.

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Originally Posted by Andromaque
Originally Posted by pianoloverus

Have you heard him live?


No. which is why I said "I would love to hear more". Most of the YT samples are transcriptions.
I will try to catch him if he comes by town again. How did you like his concert?
His concerts were sensastional but the last one I heard was at least 15 years ago. I don't know if he's played much in NYC recently. I heard his NYC solo debut but I can't remember the program. The last time I heard him he began with a few short pieces by Scriabin and then that composer's Sonata No.10.

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He started in the cheap little fireworks way, dazzling even unmusical audiences, but now he evolves into quite something, those fingers, that übertechnique, combined with real depth will take him very very far I think, look at his latest programs, he's already playing old stuff! He will be one of the great ones, I think.


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Volodos playing The Hammerklavier...now that's something I want to hear!


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
He started in the cheap little fireworks way, dazzling even unmusical audiences, but now he evolves into quite something, those fingers, that übertechnique, combined with real depth will take him very very far I think, look at his latest programs, he's already playing old stuff! He will be one of the great ones, I think.


I wouldn't wish to suggest that he hasn't evolved, but it was never pure show. He's always played with depth. His Bunte Blatter and Kreisleriana were outstanding, a few years back. From the very start it was clear that his technique was not the most outstanding thing.

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Originally Posted by Fugue14
Volodos playing The Hammerklavier...now that's something I want to hear!
INDEED!


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Originally Posted by Nyiregyhazi
Most are transcriptions? That is not true at all. There is loads of stuff on youtube. Your comment "I would love to hear more from Volodos, beyond virtuosic transcriptions." is really quite puzzling. This film comes as an encore from a concert that consists of almost nothing but large scale works, as one of only two transcriptions performed. The other one was transcribed by Bach and even the Tchaikovsky is not exactly a virtuosic arrangement. His current programme contains both the Schumann Humoreske and Faschingswank. If you're aware of what he does, there's absolutely no basis for that judgement at all.


I may be guilty of a bit of hyperbole but you are being overemphatic.. smile :
His discography is fairly narrow. Outside the Schubert sonatas (3 of them? don't remember), he has got the Tchaik and one of the Rach concerti recorded , a short works of Liszt (no sonata) CD and the Transcriptions CD.. Everywhere else, he intercalates transcriptions (Wedding, Turkish, Radotzky marches, Glinka, Hor/Volodos etc..).. And whenever he is discussed or noted, it is over transcriptions, this forum being one example of many.

But I do agree that there is more than technique there, and I remain highly interested to see where he goes. I anticipated a huge career 10 years ago when I first heard of him, but he is somewhat tangential to the so-called "big scene".. I would not venture to propose the reasons or to even remotely discount his potential. But I wonder if virtuosic transcriptions alienated the big wigs, whomever they may be..

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His DVD contained two transcriptions, both encores and neither virtuosic. His next programme has no transcriptions either and features two large scale Schumann works. Before that he had been performing two Beethoven sonatas, a Clementi sonata and many other substantial works. In fact, he seems to have willfuly started avoiding transcriptions. Sorry, but to say:

"I would love to hear more from Volodos, beyond virtuosic transcriptions."

and to claim

"Most of the YT samples are transcriptions"

because somebody picked out the single one from his last programme (if it can even be called 'virtuosic') is an extremely unfair piece of pigeonholing. That is just perpetuating an absurd stereotype that has no grounding in fact. Is one transcription per disc supposed to make him a one-trick pony? After his first two CDs (which I take to be your 'elsewhere', he has never included more than one per disc. And there is a lot of repetoire that he has not recorded.

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Type him in YT (You tube) and see what you get, or click here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=volodos&aq=f

Then type his name in Google and skip the Wiki bioraphy if you like, read the bio on bach-cantatas.com and note the transcrirptions mention etc.. Very few other pianists have their names so well associated with trasncriptions. Perhaps it is a figment of the public's imagination but that is how his image projects. Also try finding athread on him here or elsewhere that does not refer to his transcriptions. I bet it would be rare, rich and rare.. As to the level of virtuosity, well it is to me! But hey we have had a Liszt-sonata-in-one-week and beginner Chopin Ballades recital described on this site. Thus the level of pianism is quite stratospheric!!.. so I may not be surprised that it may not be virtuosic to you, but it is to me..

Other than that, we are on the same page.

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But that's my point. Just because the wide public usually pigeon-holes him as someone who just plays transcriptions (thanks to a few ignorant critics) does not mean it should be assumed as true. It doesn't take much research to see how inaccurate such dubious generalizations are.

Also, I'm not saying the Tchaikovsky would be easy, but it's not virtuosic in the sense of being in a showy style. It's a world apart from the flashy transcriptions he did many of earlier in his career (but which he has done few of in recent years).

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Interesting discussions, I thought I'd bump this, just to see if any transcription has surfaced?


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Originally Posted by Andromaque

Richter was one of the greatest artistic personalities during the second half of the 20th century, however people always said he had no god given virtuosity and he needed to work hard for everything.


I have never heard that one before, it is a shame that someone had to work for something I guess...It is just odd thing to say about Richter, didn't one of his teachers say they couldn't teach him anything?

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Just to clarify firt. The quote above was from Bashkirov' s answer in an interview I excerpted.

You are right in quoting Richter's teacher, Heinrich Neuhaus. I read that in Neuhaus' book "The art of piano playing". But I don't think that it means that Richter never worked for it.
As for the shame part, I assume you are being sarcastic?


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Some of Richter's performances are so technically and musically astonishing, that that quote really took me by surprise. If Bashkirov was correct, then I guess it shows what tremendously hard work can achieve.


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Originally Posted by Andromaque
Just to clarify firt. The quote above was from Bashkirov' s answer in an interview I excerpted.

You are right in quoting Richter's teacher, Heinrich Neuhaus. I read that in Neuhaus' book "The art of piano playing". But I don't think that it means that Richter never worked for it.
As for the shame part, I assume you are being sarcastic?



I apologize, I should have quoted within the quote and specified it was from the interview. Yes it was sarcasm. It was funny, how he was trying to advertise his students(nothing wrong with that) and I took it as subtle jabs to make Volodos better.

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bump - any news on a transcription of Volodos' Lullaby in a storm?


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another bump to keep the thread alive, anything surfaced?


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For those who are still looking for it, you can download the pdf here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/112933459/Volodos-Berceuse-54-10

I recorded this last month, so you can take a listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPqJYjv8Q0E&feature=youtu.be

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Can anyone send me this transcription(PM me and I will send you my email address)? When I tried downloading it using the above link it said I had to become a Premium Member to down load it.

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