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#2069642 - 04/23/13 11:04 PM Re: New Composition in the works [Re: Mark Gordon]  
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Mark,

I'm glad to see you were able to puzzle through things on your own. I have mixed feelings about whether to hone this one or move on. Both ideas have merit (how's that for not making up your mind for you after you've already made it up?). I believe there's merit in exploring these issues. I agree with much of what Charles says, but I also know that I've gone back to pieces after a few weeks (or years) and the interim allowed a degree of perspective that was valuable. I hope you do go back to this piece at some point, there are a lot of good ideas there.

OTOH, something new will present a new set of problems and perhaps it's time to seek a new challenge.

BTW, I listened to your recording and of course the human aspect made a significant difference, there were a few rhythmic things you did that helped it that perhaps were not as evident in the Sibelius rendition. Overall, I still think it could use a bit more and one or two dotted rhythms could add a degree of propulsion that would help.

The most important skill a composer can develop is a critical ear. It's very easy to fall in love with an idea. If your first thought is that it's perfect let that be a red flag, no idea is perfect. In my composing every moment of a piece of music is honed. That's what makes the process so arduous. That's probably not the way every composer works, but I've heard far too many pieces where a young composer put a lot of effort into not so great themes. Your piece had some great ideas, but they could be made better. Whether you explore that in a new work or in revising this one is up to you, either way will be a learning experience. That's what you need most is simply experience. It's like the old joke, How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice man, practice!

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#2069654 - 04/23/13 11:18 PM Re: New Composition in the works [Re: Steve Chandler]  
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I started looking at it a little more tonight. I think the first thing that I need to do is at least make what is there readable and playable. I really want to keep the sweeps in there but right now there are too many sections that would make it impossible to really play smoothly because the fingering would be too awkward. I'll upload it after in a week or so as I fix it. of course this is the really boring part of composition... proof reading.

#2069666 - 04/23/13 11:28 PM Re: New Composition in the works [Re: Steve Chandler]  
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Changing up rhythm is something I'm also conflicted on and will probably need some time away so I can hear it in a different light. At first I was somewhat attached to the kind of droning vanilla quality of the theme and thought about (as I was composing it) to keep it kind of static feeling so that the middle section could really stand out as a huge contrast. This is the plainest melody I have written so far, so I thought it would be a good challenge to so if I could polish the turd as they say. It really is kind of boring and soulless, but I kind of thought it might be interesting to turn it into something more by the varying rhythms and textures. So in essence I completely agree with you, but I'm wondering if I make they melody more rhythmic if it might change the strategy for it later in the piece. This is a genuine question, not a rhetorical one. I just don't know.

#2070999 - 04/25/13 09:49 PM Re: New Composition in the works [Re: Steve Chandler]  
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Well, Steve. I finally hear it in my head this evening. I didn't think it was possible to vary the rhythms much on the main theme without breaking the whole piece. but I think I found a couple of solutions. I'll post a couple of very quick variations (same notes, slightly altered rhythms) in the next day or so. I guess sometimes I have to tell my self it can't be done and then later I think, actually it can.


thanks

Originally Posted by Steve Chandler
Mark,

I'm glad to see you were able to puzzle through things on your own. I have mixed feelings about whether to hone this one or move on. Both ideas have merit (how's that for not making up your mind for you after you've already made it up?). I believe there's merit in exploring these issues. I agree with much of what Charles says, but I also know that I've gone back to pieces after a few weeks (or years) and the interim allowed a degree of perspective that was valuable. I hope you do go back to this piece at some point, there are a lot of good ideas there.

OTOH, something new will present a new set of problems and perhaps it's time to seek a new challenge.

BTW, I listened to your recording and of course the human aspect made a significant difference, there were a few rhythmic things you did that helped it that perhaps were not as evident in the Sibelius rendition. Overall, I still think it could use a bit more and one or two dotted rhythms could add a degree of propulsion that would help.

The most important skill a composer can develop is a critical ear. It's very easy to fall in love with an idea. If your first thought is that it's perfect let that be a red flag, no idea is perfect. In my composing every moment of a piece of music is honed. That's what makes the process so arduous. That's probably not the way every composer works, but I've heard far too many pieces where a young composer put a lot of effort into not so great themes. Your piece had some great ideas, but they could be made better. Whether you explore that in a new work or in revising this one is up to you, either way will be a learning experience. That's what you need most is simply experience. It's like the old joke, How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice man, practice!

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