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#2066094 - 04/17/13 03:22 PM Are you worthy of your piano?  
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Simple question, simple answer.

I have 2 pianos, a digital and a nice acoustic grand.

The digital I play all the time. I can easily discover new melodies and learn them easier and faster on the digital because the digital is just SO much easier to play. In addition, I can actually learn to play better on the digital because of the use of a pair of quality headphones.

The headphones allow me to hear very subtle variations in the sound being produced that the acoustical surroundings of my acoustic piano will not allow. In addition, I can (and often do) play very late at night which allows me much more practice time than if I only played the acoustic during normal hours due to all kinds of obvious reasons.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE my big acoustic grand and play it when I want to really 'perform' something because the sound it can produce is incredible. However, I must admit that the vast majority of the time is spent playing and learning on the digital with significantly less time 'performing' on the acoustic grand.

So, the bottom line is YES, I am worthy of my Roland digital piano. Every penny I paid for it and then some. But I'm not sure if I am 'worthy' or if the cost of a big, expensive grand is 'worth it' for just an amateur hack noodling around at night.

I have absolutely no buyers remorse purchasing my digital for the reasons explained but many times I look over at the expensive acoustic grand and I start to wonder if that money couldn't have been better spent or invested. Especially when I think how much it costs to move and keep it professionally tuned.

I play every day so I'm happy, but I also feel guilty at the same time.

How about you. Are you worthy of the piano you are playing? Is it worth it to you? Do you deserve a better piano than what you are playing on? or do you feel a little guilty sometimes that you have an incredible piano that you hardly play?


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#2066100 - 04/17/13 03:42 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Interesting question. I think if I had the gorgeous acoustic that you have, yes, I would question if I was "worthy" of it.

Even when I got my little Yamaha P112 upright I suffered qualms of "oh my, I've only been playing 10 months, how can I possibly DESERVE a real piano?"

I decided that to merit it, what I had to do was to play it. A lot, every day, to the best of my ability.

My piano was a gift (both my dp and my acoustic were gifts). I still say thank you to my husband -- it has turned out to be something we both enjoy very much - albeit from different perspectives.

So to answer your question...I DID feel a bit "unworthy" at first, but now I don't - and even if I had a better piano, I don't think I'd let myself get into that mode of thinking again.



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#2066119 - 04/17/13 04:12 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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I think my old (1937) mediocre but servicable Kurtzmann small grand and I are pretty well matched. If I had anything better, I'd be in the uncomfortable position of that Oscar Wilde character who was daunted by the necessity of living up to his teapot. Anything worse, and I couldn't bear to practice.


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To be honest, Mr. Super Hunky, you probably aren't worthy of your acoustic grand and you should pay a piano mover to ship it to me. I promise to give it a loving home.


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Good question which I can't answer yet. I researched intently for a beginner dp and got my Yamaha P105 because it was the cheapest 88 key fully weighted dp with reasonable sound available. Even then I discussed why I was spending so much money to my wife. Of course there was the possibility I might not enjoy learning and give up, but that's not going to happen, I am hooked.
I will in a few years require a better instrument, so will question my worthiness then. However we can be funny creatures there, we can take a $5,000 two week holiday because we worked hard and "we deserve it", yet can stifle ourselves when buying an instrument that will give us a lifetime of enjoyment.


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#2066127 - 04/17/13 04:20 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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While I believe I live up to my teapot (great reference!), few things irk me more than someone with so much bloody money they spent $100k-plus on an instrument they have no idea how to play, have no intentions of learning how to play, and spend very little time enjoying. If you intend to learn, or are actively learning, then hey, buy the best thing you can afford and don't look back. Otherwise, you could have gotten a chair for much less.. wink


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#2066131 - 04/17/13 04:22 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: Whizbang]  
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Originally Posted by Whizbang
To be honest, Mr. Super Hunky, you probably aren't worthy of your acoustic grand and you should pay a piano mover to ship it to me. I promise to give it a loving home.


I wish I'd thought of that!
Mind you, I don't think his piano would fit in my apartment! smile


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#2066145 - 04/17/13 04:48 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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I think of my piano as being kind of like a husband. My U3 is just totally comfortable and right. My piano and I are greatly in love with each other and spend lots of our free time together. At first I was rather over awed by it and the fact I owned it. Now it's just more like a familiar friend or relative whom I adore.

It is a thing of beauty, but not so much so that I find it intimidating. It's a very approachable piano and everyone it meets falls in love. I really need to stop personifying it so much though!!


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#2066160 - 04/17/13 05:13 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Interesting question.

Mr Super-Hunky, I have read your post, here:

I have 2 pianos, a digital and a nice acoustic grand.

The digital I play all the time. I can easily discover new melodies and learn them easier and faster on the digital because the digital is just SO much easier to play. In addition, I can actually learn to play better on the digital because of the use of a pair of quality headphones.

The headphones allow me to hear very subtle variations in the sound being produced that the acoustical surroundings of my acoustic piano will not allow. In addition, I can (and often do) play very late at night which allows me much more practice time than if I only played the acoustic during normal hours due to all kinds of obvious reasons.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE my big acoustic grand and play it when I want to really 'perform' something because the sound it can produce is incredible. However, I must admit that the vast majority of the time is spent playing and learning on the digital with significantly less time 'performing' on the acoustic grand.

So, the bottom line is YES, I am worthy of my Roland digital piano. Every penny I paid for it and then some. But I'm not sure if I am 'worthy' or if the cost of a big, expensive grand is 'worth it' for just an amateur hack noodling around at night.

I have absolutely no buyers remorse purchasing my digital for the reasons explained but many times I look over at the expensive acoustic grand and I start to wonder if that money couldn't have been better spent or invested. Especially when I think how much it costs to move and keep it professionally tuned.

I play every day so I'm happy, but I also feel guilty at the same time.

How about you. Are you worthy of the piano you are playing? Is it worth it to you? Do you deserve a better piano than what you are playing on? or do you feel a little guilty sometimes that you have an incredible piano that you hardly play?

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I have a great 20 year old Clavinova that a year ago I dusted off 20 years of dust and started playing from book one of learning to play the piano. What you should know is that I had almost died say the doctors and friends but at the last minute I had a turn around and survived but was quite weak sitting and standing. So I thought if I sat at the piano and tried to play, it might distract me and enable me to sit longer. Well, in the process of learning the piano, I fell in love with playing the piano. But I felt I was missing someting from not having an acoustic and sought to find one. I got a chance for a second hand 3 legged 5 foot piano. I said no, because it was over my budget. I left the store and walked about a block and thought, "I almost died, and when you die, you can't take anything with you, so you have to give it all away - and that is cool. So I said to myself, why don't you (me) take a little money your mother left you and get the piano. Would I feel bad if I only got to play it for a day or two and died - and the answer was clear no, so I ran back to the store and bought the piano. The piano takes up half my livingroom, so I had to throw out the couch to make room for the piano in my tiny shack. For me, the acoustic piano is so awesome. It took me several months to adjust to the touch of the acoustic piano. I didn't think I would find a second hand piano played by a child that easily. I am 64, so that situation doesn't always happen that easily. No regrets, just love of the beast!

The digital weighted keys Keyboard I bought for 600 dollars because I was too weak to sit at the piano and I wanted to play very badly everyday, so the digital keyboard I put on my livingroom floor on concrete blocks, slid underneath the piano and played on my back for about 6 months using clothes pegs to hold the music and tilted the piano/keyboard at the right angle to play it.

So both the digital and the acoustic are great but different. The digital keyboard yam p95 has all these things like recording and other stuff, but I am only interested in pure piano and not the digital stuff except that it is 45 pounds and can be carried to a hospital or wherever.

I play both but mostly the digital late at night so that people walking by don't hear me playing and know the shack has a piano in it, criminals, you know. Not that they could easily carry it away but they might think I have something of value and I don't.


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I have a bottom of the heap Kohler and Campbell baby grand. Some days it is not worthy of me. Some days, I am not worthy of it. Generally, though, we have a good time together.

If I was smart, I'd just get a nice upright, but piano and rationality don't seem to be related much.


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I didn't think that I could justify spending big bucks on a new grand, or even not-so-big bucks on a used grand. So I rescued an old grand that was a basket case and rebuilt it. I have a few thousand dollars invested in it, and it's very much a working piano. Not an option for everyone, but the rebuilding gave me a lot of pleasure as well as the fun I have playing it now. I really love my 1927 Bechstein Model L.

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Right now I play a DP and I'm happy with it. When my play gets better, I think I deserve a better piano. It should be in balance. No need for an expensive piano when I only play beginner pieces.

It always reminds me of a industrial designer who had the honour to design a special anniversary steinway grand. In a interview after he designed the grand, he said he felt the biggest sorrow for not having learnt to play.

So my piano needs to meet up my skills.


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#2066182 - 04/17/13 06:03 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: Sam S]  
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Originally Posted by Sam S
I didn't think that I could justify spending big bucks on a new grand, or even not-so-big bucks on a used grand. So I rescued an old grand that was a basket case and rebuilt it. I have a few thousand dollars invested in it, and it's very much a working piano. Not an option for everyone, but the rebuilding gave me a lot of pleasure as well as the fun I have playing it now. I really love my 1927 Bechstein Model L.

Sam



Sam, I'm going to be honest and say that I wish I had a story like yours to put behind my big Mason.

I love everything about the quality and sound it can produce but I'm the type of person who would rather buy a used lawn mower for $35 bucks and fix it up to better than new condition for much less. It is your personal time and effort that makes it so special.

I just happen to be at the right place and circumstances at the time of purchase that it would be stupid not to make the purchase. Basically one of those very rare 'buy lower than dealer cost' situations that actually was true. Recession!

Also, maybe I'm weird on this but it is not any specific sound signature that appeals to me but rather just the melody itself. A beautifully haunting melody sounds just as nice to me whether it be performed on a Yamaha or a Steinway. Whatever, I don't really care as long as the melody appeals to me. [Of course nobody likes a tune playing on anything that sounds crappy.]

I got a great deal on a brand new piano but it lacks any substance behind it. I wish I had a story like yours to back it up but I don't.

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Am I worthy of my piano? Heck no.

Am I grateful every day that I have the opportunity to butcher beautiful music on it? Heck yes.

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Your piano should be better than you are. You get better with practice, it doesn't. So, what you should have is a piano that won't be limiting you for at least a few years. Repetition is one of the more important criteria. Your piano should easily be able to go faster than you can.


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Mr SH: When I was a young man I took up guitar, on a cheap 30 dollar instrument,
and I dreamed that owning an expensive Gibson L5..it didn't happen, but my playing
improved without it, I ended up with a Epiphone Emperor Regent...but I became
"one with the guitar" ...my hope is one day I'll become "one with the piano"
and get an acoustic grand, but for now I'll use my Yamaha P60 smile

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Originally Posted by Bob Newbie
Mr SH: When I was a young man I took up guitar, on a cheap 30 dollar instrument,
and I dreamed that owning an expensive Gibson L5..it didn't happen, but my playing
improved without it,

I had a similar story Bob Newbie, bought a cheapo acoustic at age 14 and now have two beautiful custom made acoustics. But my playing improved each time I got a better guitar. I am wondering if piano players find they improve in leaps when they graduate to a better instrument.


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Interesting thinking, MrSH.

Originally Posted by Mr Super-Hunky
Simple question, simple answer.

I play every day so I'm happy, but I also feel guilty at the same time.

How about you. Are you worthy of the piano you are playing? Is it worth it to you? Do you deserve a better piano than what you are playing on? or do you feel a little guilty sometimes that you have an incredible piano that you hardly play?



Even being a beginner. I'm not below my IvoryII. I could improve on it. I don't want to play that audiophile game again. Maybe someday. It does vastly improve upon the performance of my Midi controller. Versus using the onboard sound. Wanting a better keyboard. Better computer, better sound box.
I'm also in an apartment. Nice roomy large apartment. But an apartment. An acoustic is out of the question for me now.
Yet...
With my experience as an audiophile. Live is always better. When it doesn't include PA systems, etc.
You ever notice that anything real these days is expensive?
You can't get quality without paying for it.
Even then, realize. It is decomposing right before your eyes. It isn't permanent. Can't be. Only what you do on it with your heart can be permanent.

My brother tells me about his co-workers. They all had four wheelers, jet skis, all kinds of toys. They wasted lots of money. Not to mention Harleys. Doh! Now they're getting too old for those things. They can't enjoy them. So now they throw money into their 4 wheel drive diesel pickups. They've never learned.

What is the point to learn? What do you get out of what you spent money on? Is it something more than amusing and entertaining yourself? Is it more than just possessing more to fulfill wanting?

People get the most out of music when it comes from themselves. Doesn't have to be good. When the heart expresses itself. That is what is most important. You don't have to worry about your ego. To be worthy of that grand. You just need to enjoy it. How the keys play, how it expresses sound. Electronics can't quite duplicate it. No matter how good the electronics get. They are generic. That grand is natural.

If I could afford it. I would get a grand in a heart beat. I need to buy a house first. smile


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I'm in the same position as Mr. S-H in that I've got a nice digital piano and a much nicer grand. I also play the digital more than the grand mostly because I'm awake at night a lot and it gives me an opportunity to use the "white hours" in the middle of the night for something useful.

I doubt my playing will ever get to the point where I'm "worthy" of my grand but it is something to aspire to and I enjoy playing it nonetheless. From a return on investment point of view though the digital definitely wins in my case.


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I have a rebuilt 1918 Mason & Hamlin BB. I read Larry Fine's book on how to buy a used Piano from cover to cover many times before I went looking for a grand piano. Very little was availble near me. And when I found this one piano within driving distance, I thought I should go look at it to practice going over an instrument. The surprise of my life was to find this M & H was the piano of my dreams. It's definitely better than I am. But am I worth it? You bet!! I know what I have and I appreciate it. I'm in love with this piano. It has an incredible sound and is so responsive to anything I try and do on it. My piano tuner says it's a concert quality instrument. I know it is making me into a better pianist than I would be without it. I am very lucky to have found it.

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I have a Schimmel, and yes when I first played the piano at the salesroom, I hardly had enough strength in my hands to play it properly. This feeling continued for somemonths after it arrived at my home, I felt unworthy of such a piano. Now not so much, as everytime I practice I think improve on my technique, and this piano allows me such expression. It is a kind piano it sounds lovely even when I play a wrong note. This does not the case with my teacher's piano, I am only now getting a fraction of the sound he achieves when he plays something. I swear that piano does not respect me, somehow it knows that I am at the begining of my musical education, but my playing on it is improving albeit at a snail's pace.

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Do I like my piano? Yes. Am I worthy of it? Yes. Is it worthy of me? Yes.

I have a relatively new Steinway B. It's a great instrument and I'm lucky to possess it.


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the only people who aren't worthy are those that treat it as a piece of furniture. If a piano is cared for and played (regardless of the level of proficiency) that person is worthy of that piano. That said, yes...I'm definitely worthy of mine. Do I deserve better? I'm perfectly happy with what I have. My u1 is something good enough to grow old with.


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My piano and all the pianos I have access to are beginning to not be good enough for the pieces that I am learning. They cannot produce the required sound, faster passages are a nightmare because of unevenly weighted keys in the same octave. They sound bad and so on. I don't know how much longer I can take it. I had to wake up and go to the music academy at 7 in the morning so I can have 3 hours on a semi-good piano. The grand pianos are off-limits to students most of the time and there are only 2-3 good uprights which are taken all the time.

It's an excuse I know and my teacher thinks it's not a valid one but it's not very motivating to play on a crappy instrument every day.

I think that every one of us is worthy of a beautiful perfectly functional and good sounding instrument to develop our art on.

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I suppose it depends on how you define "worthy." If to be worthy, you have to be able to push a piano to its limits, then I'm certainly unworthy of my Yamaha C3. But if to be worthy you only need to appreciate what the piano can do and take advantage of that as best you can, then I think most of us are worthy of our pianos. All except those who buy pianos to use as picture frame stands. And those people aren't on this forum anyhow.


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I have had to answer this question twice in the last few years. I returned to piano after 30+ hiatus and purchased a M&H BB after abut 6 months. Was my playing worthy of it? No, but I practiced 3 hours a day because I just loved that piano. As a result my playing improved. When we move to Switzerland I had to sell it. After a couple of years here, I decided that I really needed an acoustic, so I bought a small Bechstein grand. I play the digital for deep practicing and technique work, and the acoustic for everything else. It is the reward for working hard. Am I worthy of my Bechstein? I am striving to be. And I believe it is improving my playing much more than the digital ever could.

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Originally Posted by Teodor
(...) It's an excuse I know and my teacher thinks it's not a valid one but it's not very motivating to play on a crappy instrument every day. (...)

Originally Posted by SwissMS
(...) As a result my playing improved. (...)


Exactly this. I will never be a concert player, but I deserve to not feel limited by my instrument in the very few free moments I am allowed to spend time on it. Note that I am not saying 'be limited', but am saying 'feel limited'.
It is hard enough to every day struggle with my own shortcomes, so why to add any burden to this from worries about my instrument´s quality? As long as my instrument quality is way ahead of my playing quality, I am sufficiently aware about any upcoming false excuses about what (or who) causes the humble sound of my music - and this pushes me to concentrate harder on what actually I am doing, and subsequently the quality of my playing becomes pushed another step closer to satisfactory. Playing as a beginner on a really nice instrument lets me sound better, not only because of the instrument´s better sound.
Having a superb instrument is not only motivation, but truely contributes to the joy I am reaching out for.

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Originally Posted by earlofmar
However we can be funny creatures there, we can take a $5,000 two week holiday because we worked hard and "we deserve it", yet can stifle ourselves when buying an instrument that will give us a lifetime of enjoyment.


This is a good point. And this:

Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Your piano should be better than you are. You get better with practice, it doesn't. So, what you should have is a piano that won't be limiting you for at least a few years. Repetition is one of the more important criteria. Your piano should easily be able to go faster than you can.


I feel very lucky to have a grand piano, but I don't question whether I'm worthy of it. I know it has room for me to grow into. My husband is more of a beginner, and he too benefits from having a quality instrument.

It occupies a pretty large proportion of our living room. But we were able to keep the couch. smile


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#2066406 - 04/18/13 06:34 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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If you only played your grand for the ABF recitals it would still be worth it ... to me anyway wink

I regret having to get rid of my digital. Not my decision. Days I've regretted, or even thought about regretting, my K3: Zero. I may be wrong but I seriously doubt I could ever regret buying a grand ... if I ever got to the position where I could get my wife to allow it!!


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Well, Mr SH, my sister wrote her name on the family piano (a new upright) just as soon as she could write her name. But never played it . . . I look at my piano. There`s so much stuff on it I will never use. Some of it I have. The playing action`s not brill. But it isn`t for me on anything, so the fault lies with me . . .but it only cost £300 so it owes me nothing. I always thought, in ther old days, you should never spend more on a car than on your piano/organ whatever . . . So get yersel a NEW one!


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I don't much believe in the question, but to play along:

No, my playing skills to date are at a very low level, and I cannot come close to showing my acoustic piano to its best effects. (I'm beginning to be worthy of my NP-11, though.)

On the other hand, having a piano I really appreciate is an inspiration to keep practicing diligently, so the gap between the level of my playing and the level of the piano is always decreasing. I'll never close that gap, but as long as this piano contributes to a desire on my part to improve, and as long as I continue to pursue improvement, I'll be glad I have it.


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As long as you respect the art, you are worthy of any piano you can afford.

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at first i wanted to get rid of my digital(almost did but first sale didn't go through, maybe it's a sign!) cause i didn't think i'd have enough room in my apartment since i got my acoustic. but, i've had a change of mind and now trying to convince my hubby to keep it. he now thinks i have 1 too many. i do like the convenience of being able to play at night without having to worry about our neighbors (and hubby). i feel like i'm going to regret selling my digital if it comes down to it. but, i certainly don't regret getting my acoustic.

Originally Posted by Andy Platt
If you only played your grand for the ABF recitals it would still be worth it ... to me anyway wink

I regret having to get rid of my digital. Not my decision. Days I've regretted, or even thought about regretting, my K3: Zero. I may be wrong but I seriously doubt I could ever regret buying a grand ... if I ever got to the position where I could get my wife to allow it!!


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#2066482 - 04/18/13 10:00 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: joce]  
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As long as you respect the art, you are worthy of any piano you can afford.

Good comment.
I too have felt like not being worthy of my new Grand, not a high end one but still much better than what I can do at just over a year of lessons...in a not so well defined study program.
But I do respect the art and have added a lot more hours a week after getting the Grand so for me it only made me work harder and more disciplined to reach my goals of playing classical..so I guess skills wise I am not, but in other aspects, I am worthy if it. smile


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Originally Posted by ElleC
but, i've had a change of mind and now trying to convince my hubby to keep it. he now thinks i have 1 too many. i do like the convenience of being able to play at night without having to worry about our neighbors (and hubby).


Your husband and my wife would get along very well. "Only one piano shaped object in the house." Try as hard as I could to find a digital piano shaped like a couch (apparently as many of those as you could possibly want can be in the house) ... I just couldn't!


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#2066511 - 04/18/13 10:48 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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I think my baby grand and I are a pretty decent match. It suits my style and the music that I like to (try to) play. I have no regrets buying it, and it also serves as decor in the show room of my studio. And because of where it is, I can easily sit and practice multiple times throughout the day.

Before that I always played my Casio digital. It was very inexpensive but allowed me to practice in private when I was first learning. It is still useful especially for learning 'softer' music that my BG's voice isn't really suited for.

My 'buyer's remorse' piano is a Cable Nelson upright, that I purchased brand new about 6 years ago. It is in my house, where I rarely play. I wish I could sell it, but pianos are a dime a dozen in the classified ads here. So it unfortunately is just furniture most of the time. (I do play it some times, just not enough to seem worthwhile having it there). Sad.

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Needless to say, there is some kind of deep, subconscious, psychological concept here somewhere; I just don’t know exactly what it is yet.

Are you worthy of your piano? Which one… grin

My pride and joy is my older (1978) Yamaha C7 semi concert grand piano. I bought it from a rather large Pentecostal church that had built a new auditorium and went to all digital pianos, and I got a pretty good deal on it (I think). Since a new C7 is in the neighborhood of $50K, I’d say I got a great deal, in spite of some ware on it here and there.

My playing skills are meager, elementary and unorthodox, to say the least; but the fun and enjoyment I get when I’m attempting to play my C7 is enormous; puts a smile on my face and gleam in my eye every time. I figure the physical, emotional and spiritual high I get when I’m playing is better than a drug, and not as sickening as alcohol. Yet, I’m on cloud 9 when I’m pounding away on an oldies rock-n-roll tune or a popular pop tune, or a classic country tune, or a good-ole southern Gospel tune or even what little classical pieces I know.

Am I worthy of my piano? Probably not, but I’ve been well blessed! smile

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I have a Boston GP 156. It came into my life sort of by accident, when I once made an off-the-cuff (and probably ill-considered) comment about wanting to buy a grand piano 'someday' while within earshot of the wannabe patron of the arts who happens to be my grandfather. The next day he informed me (by SMS) that he had bought a grand piano, to be delivered to my new apartment January 31. Oh, and also: how was I going to pay for it?

So I now have a grand piano, which cost me an unplanned €8.000 up-front (plus 24 monthly payments), sitting smack-dab in the middle of my living area. Despite being one of the smallest grands in existence to still be considered musically viable, it is *just* this side of too big. The piano is both literally and figuratively the centrepiece of my private space, now, and it clashes rather badly with my original vision for the arrangement of my furniture.

But is it worth it?

Heck, yeah.

If you had asked me in early December (before the sudden appearance of the Boston in my life) whether my playing was worthy of a grand piano, I would have burst out laughing. I'd have considered it a ridiculous question, because until my grandfather pulled his grandiose 'hey, I bought you a piano' party trick, the idea that I would ever really acquire a grand piano was nothing more than a pipe dream on my part. I didn't (and still don't really) believe that my playing would *ever* be worthy of a grand.

But now that I have one, I have to say: it is a joy. I unblushingly advise any beginner who can even remotely afford it to get a good, well-tuned, well-regulated grand piano to practice on.

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Worthy? Well, I don't know about that. I know I love every sound that comes form it....that it inspires me to practice and try my best to make beautiful music...that I searched long and hard before she found me. I've never had one regret about the purchase and would do it again in a heartbeat. And I do believe it has helped my playing.

What I feel guilty about is my poor Clavinova, sitting untouched and unplayed for two years now, like a jilted lover. It is a fine instrument for what it is and deserves to be played by someone. I really should sell it.



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Hmmm.... interesting thread.

I aspire to some day have the financial means necessary to feel unworthy of my piano.

For now though, I certainly don't feel that my 1978 Vose & Sons spinet is unworthy of me. It's been abused and neglected (not least of all by me and my kids -- reversing the order of the actions/actors) and is still a serviceable musical instrument.


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This may be the first time in my life when I'm actually better than my equipment laugh Certainly my racing skis and my climbing gear were better quality than my ability to race or climb laugh But now I have a 1905 Howard upright that will sort of stay in tune with itself except for the C an octave below middle C, and a Casio PX-100 that's probably 8 or 9 years old with a headphone jack instead of a line out that's beginning to not make a connection any more if I want to run it to a sound system and the tone of which is sometimes so grating on me that I almost despair.

However, both of them are better than the centuries old Wurlitzer "electric piano" with a short keyboard and the headphones that looked like they came from a sopwith camel pilot. Tho I used it for something like 8 years.

However, I soldier on. And somehow I keep improving. But a real grand piano still startles me with it's volume smile

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Originally Posted by -Frycek
I think my old (1937) mediocre but servicable Kurtzmann small grand and I are pretty well matched. If I had anything better, I'd be in the uncomfortable position of that Oscar Wilde character who was daunted by the necessity of living up to his teapot. Anything worse, and I couldn't bear to practice.


LOL..love the Oscar Wilde quip- he was so witty and a legend...

My Piano is a semitone down from concert pitch and always will be, is over 100 years old and has some scratches and wax stains on his wood..perfect? No.. character? Yes. I love old things and am eccentric, so like you Frycek and your piano, my old Piano and I are matched fine. Though I do feel sorry for Piano that I cannot play well as my teacher plays Ragtme on Piano and then he comes alive! Yes, Piano is an old boy... laugh


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Originally Posted by JimF

What I feel guilty about is my poor Clavinova, sitting untouched and unplayed for two years now, like a jilted lover. It is a fine instrument for what it is and deserves to be played by someone. I really should sell it.



Awww Jim- poor Clavinova- play her!


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Originally Posted by Toastie
I think of my piano as being kind of like a husband. My U3 is just totally comfortable and right. My piano and I are greatly in love with each other and spend lots of our free time together. At first I was rather over awed by it and the fact I owned it. Now it's just more like a familiar friend or relative whom I adore.

It is a thing of beauty, but not so much so that I find it intimidating. It's a very approachable piano and everyone it meets falls in love. I really need to stop personifying it so much though!!


Lovely post Toastie! I was in awe when I got my Piano home almost two years ago- I could hardly believe it and couldn't wait to tell my Mum I had a piano from freecycle!!! She likes Piano a lot and came and had a play the other week. Her parents had a piano in the 1950s and her older sister had some lessons. One day my Mum came home from school and the piano was gone- sold!..she never even had the offer of lessons. Funny as she can still play tunes she learnt by herself all those years ago.


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Originally Posted by Toastie
I think of my piano as being kind of like a husband. My U3 is just totally comfortable and right. My piano and I are greatly in love with each other and spend lots of our free time together. At first I was rather over awed by it and the fact I owned it. Now it's just more like a familiar friend or relative whom I adore.

Ah... if only all marriages were half as good as this ideal...

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My Piano is a semitone down from concert pitch and always will be

That sounds curious... Why is that? My tuner has told me it's just a question of time and patience. If it's fallen rather flat it can't be jacked up all at once (lest any strings break), but bit by bit they can be stretched over a number of tunings.


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I have a Clavinova digital piano from 1990. Didn't know what to do with it, so I picked up Alfred All-in-One Book 1 so I could be worthy of it. I wasn't making much progress, so I started getting lessons. Hundreds of hours later, I was better than my then 20-year-old Clavinova, so I got a Yamaha GC1 (little grand piano), which I was not worthy of. A thousand hours later, I felt I was struggling too much to get what I wanted out of it, so out growing that, I got a Yamaha C3X (6-footer) this year. Now, I'm really not worthy. Not sure how many thousands of hours it would require to be worth of the Yamaha C3X. I've become enslaved by pianos.


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Originally Posted by ElleC
at first i wanted to get rid of my digital(almost did but first sale didn't go through, maybe it's a sign!) cause i didn't think i'd have enough room in my apartment since i got my acoustic. but, i've had a change of mind and now trying to convince my hubby to keep it.


Keeping your digital is by far the best choice for both of you. Having it for silent practice at night and for boring repetitious exercises will make his life more pleasant. Play some of that for him on the acoustic -- just keep practicing until he's convinced. ;-)

Keeping the digital also gives you two completely different touches to practice on, which will make you better able to adapt to different pianos.

See if you can find a way of storing the digital out of sight when you're not using it.


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Originally Posted by 4evrBeginR
I have a Clavinova digital piano from 1990. Didn't know what to do with it, so I picked up Alfred All-in-One Book 1 so I could be worthy of it. I wasn't making much progress, so I started getting lessons. Hundreds of hours later, I was better than my then 20-year-old Clavinova, so I got a Yamaha GC1 (little grand piano), which I was not worthy of. A thousand hours later, I felt I was struggling too much to get what I wanted out of it, so out growing that, I got a Yamaha C3X (6-footer) this year. Now, I'm really not worthy. Not sure how many thousands of hours it would require to be worth of the Yamaha C3X. I've become enslaved by pianos.

I practiced on a mediocre Steinway upright for years before getting my first grand.


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Originally Posted by Mr Super-Hunky


The digital I play all the time. I can easily discover new melodies and learn them easier and faster on the digital because the digital is just SO much easier to play. In addition, I can actually learn to play better on the digital because of the use of a pair of quality headphones.

The headphones allow me to hear very subtle variations in the sound being produced that the acoustical surroundings of my acoustic piano will not allow. In addition, I can (and often do) play very late at night which allows me much more practice time than if I only played the acoustic during normal hours due to all kinds of obvious reasons.




Acoustics in my experience have much more sound change than digitals. Also the acoustic can be set up to have lighter or heavier keys.

Maybe the problem is the sound level and maybe some inbalanced sound, and that your ears can't cope with the volume of your acoustic.

So maybe your grand and the room needs a bit of tweaking.

Serious question: did you do a checkup of your hearing recently?

Originally Posted by Mr Super-Hunky


How about you. Are you worthy of the piano you are playing? Is it worth it to you? Do you deserve a better piano than what you are playing on? or do you feel a little guilty sometimes that you have an incredible piano that you hardly play?


Of course I'm worthy of my piano, I worked hard for every penny that it cost me. And I am sure my piano helped me to get where I am now. Who knows where an even better piano would have brought me. But I'm not sure if it exists :-D

I work hard on my playing but even if I did not, the bottom line is how it sounds and plays and how I enjoy that.


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Originally Posted by malkin
Worthiness?
Mu.

I'll take grace, TYVM.


Amen on that... any time I start to actually think I'm worthy of anything whatsoever, I'm finding a lesson in humility coming my way. smile


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#2067013 - 04/19/13 08:52 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Of course I'm worthy of my piano. Someday I hope to be worthy of a grand but as of now, I certainly spend a lot of effort and time with my beloved U1 and it brings me much pleasure. Financially, I could swing a used grand but I'm not worthy yet. smile


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#2067183 - 04/19/13 02:26 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by 4evrBeginR
I have a Clavinova digital piano from 1990. Didn't know what to do with it, so I picked up Alfred All-in-One Book 1 so I could be worthy of it. I wasn't making much progress, so I started getting lessons. Hundreds of hours later, I was better than my then 20-year-old Clavinova, so I got a Yamaha GC1 (little grand piano), which I was not worthy of. A thousand hours later, I felt I was struggling too much to get what I wanted out of it, so out growing that, I got a Yamaha C3X (6-footer) this year. Now, I'm really not worthy. Not sure how many thousands of hours it would require to be worth of the Yamaha C3X. I've become enslaved by pianos.

I practiced on a mediocre Steinway upright for years before getting my first grand.


Actually, what I said was more or less in jest. As much as I like our piano, I really don't consider it anything other than a tool. With 3 people in the house practicing piano, and both children who started very young moving more and more beyond my limits, it's reasonable to want the best piano possible for the 4-5 hours a day that it's being used. Ideally, I think a piano should be better than the player. Considering the state honors, conventions, and competitions the kids have won, I was actually considering a new Bösendorfer/Steinway at one point, but alas that would put too much of a strain on the family finances. Our Yamaha C3X is a good normal standard piano. My kids are talented and advanced for their age but neither are prodigies. On a selfish note, I'm kind of glad they are not, as I've seen how much sacrifice parents have to make for children who are.


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#2067324 - 04/19/13 08:02 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: aTallGuyNH]  
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Originally Posted by aTallGuyNH


Originally Posted by EdwardianPiano
My Piano is a semitone down from concert pitch and always will be

That sounds curious... Why is that? My tuner has told me it's just a question of time and patience. If it's fallen rather flat it can't be jacked up all at once (lest any strings break), but bit by bit they can be stretched over a number of tunings.


Piano was given to me by a couple on freecycle and it is fair to say I rescued him...he had sticky keys, some broken hammer shanks, bridle tapes worn etc so I got poor Piano refurbished. He wasn't taken care of in the last ten years it seems, and his strings are a bit rusty. The tech even found coal dust inside when he took the action out. So he is not able to see concert pitch now. But he is in tune with himself, though I think he is due another tuning soon. Piano is about 113 years old and overdamped and straight strung but he is very dear to me.


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#2067326 - 04/19/13 08:06 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: EdwardianPiano]  
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Originally Posted by EdwardianPiano
Originally Posted by aTallGuyNH


Originally Posted by EdwardianPiano
My Piano is a semitone down from concert pitch and always will be

That sounds curious... Why is that? My tuner has told me it's just a question of time and patience. If it's fallen rather flat it can't be jacked up all at once (lest any strings break), but bit by bit they can be stretched over a number of tunings.


Piano was given to me by a couple on freecycle and it is fair to say I rescued him...he had sticky keys, some broken hammer shanks, bridle tapes worn etc so I got poor Piano refurbished. He wasn't taken care of in the last ten years it seems, and his strings are a bit rusty. The tech even found coal dust inside when he took the action out. So he is not able to see concert pitch now. But he is in tune with himself, though I think he is due another tuning soon. Piano is about 113 years old and overdamped and straight strung but he is very dear to me.

And his name is Piano...?


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#2067329 - 04/19/13 08:09 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Yes his name is Piano! Though some folks have said to give him a proper name....the name Cecil has come to mind at times- it's an Edwardian name after all!


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#2067334 - 04/19/13 08:17 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Cecil B. de Piano ?


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#2067337 - 04/19/13 08:25 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: malkin]  
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Originally Posted by malkin
Cecil B. de Piano ?



LOL! I like that! Cecil B de Piano does make people smile and has character..
Here's a funny true story....
Piano/Cecil was living in the hall when I first got him as I lived in an upstairs room in a Victorian house ( what we in Britain call a bedsit)...yes this is proof of my eccentricity and longing for a piano that I got a piano and I lived upstairs!
One morning I went downstairs to find red lacy knickers hung over Piano's music stand!
I can only assume one of the other tenants had had a lady visitor the night before...
I told them Piano was too old for all that!


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#2067447 - 04/20/13 02:59 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: EdwardianPiano]  
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Ah, good old Cecil, I love him, he sounds like such a character.





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#2067488 - 04/20/13 06:26 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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“Ready when you are, C.B.!”

Cecil B. DeMille is the subject of many Hollywood legends. According to one famous story, DeMille once directed a film that required a huge, expensive battle scene. Filming on location in a California valley, the director set up multiple cameras to capture the action from every angle. It was a sequence that could only be done once. When DeMille yelled “Action!,” thousands of extras playing soldiers stormed across the field, firing their guns. Riders on horseback galloped over the hills. Cannons fired, pyrotechnic explosives were blown up, and battle towers loaded with soldiers came toppling down. The whole sequence went off perfectly. At the end of the scene, DeMille yelled “Cut!” He was then informed, to his horror, that three of the four cameras recording the battle sequence had failed. In Camera #1, the film had broken. Camera #2 had missed shooting the sequence when a dirt clod was kicked into the lens by a horse’s hoof. Camera #3 had been destroyed when a battle tower had fallen on it. DeMille was at his wit’s end when he suddenly remembered that he still had Camera #4, which he had had placed along with a cameraman on a nearby hill to get a long shot of the battle sequence. DeMille grabbed his megaphone and called up to the cameraman, “Did you get all that?” The cameraman on the hill waved and shouted back, “Ready when you are, C.B.!”.

#2067520 - 04/20/13 07:56 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: Toastie]  
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Originally Posted by Toastie
Ah, good old Cecil, I love him, he sounds like such a character.


It's a wonder his keys didn't fall off after the knickers episode Toastie....but who knows what he saw back in the 1910s? The butler and the nanny smooching in the pantry? The scullery maid tinkling his keys when the rich folks were out to dinner? Imagine if Cecil B de Piano could talk!

And ...I have kept some of the old bridle tapes, leathers and bits of coal dust in a box from his refurbishment.

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#2067521 - 04/20/13 07:57 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Bob, poor Mr De Mille! He must have been well annoyed!


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#2067539 - 04/20/13 08:28 AM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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He probably enjoyed it. (I can just see him twirling his mustache.)


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#2067725 - 04/20/13 05:03 PM Re: Are you worthy of your piano? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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If he'd had one Frycek!


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Yes, because I waited 45 years for mine but first had to kill, (work to death), my horrible Baldwin Acrosonic and take out a second mortgage to get my Steinway. It was a life long dream and I finally paid it off!


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