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Re: Casio AP-650
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Good suggestion.
I've started a new thread with the title of: Colorado Kawai CN34.

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The following advertisement for a Celviano AP 650 for “Under $1600” was at BHA Piano Center, but has suddenly disappeared from the Internet.

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What happens next for the Celviano AP 650’s price and availability is not known.

Re: Casio AP-650
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Mike - which particular video(s) are you referring to ?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG1GwWGhBA











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I'm sure the in-home service costs extra?


No. If you live in large city in California, I'm certain there is a close service center. Regardless in home service on Celviano products is included with your warranty.


Mike, can you tell me about Casio's in home service? The closest location from where I live will require a total of 4 hours of drive. Two round trip of 2 hours each. The two round trip is required where I'm to leave the piano at the shop for 1 week for them to diagnose and request the main board. Then I am to return to pick it up. When you speak of in-home service, this means Casio can send a tech to where I live? I've called casio before, but I was only told to drive it down to the closest location, even though I told the Casio Customer Support person that I will have to drive 4 hours total just to get the main board swapped. How do I go about requesting an in-house service? I have one of those "please wait" error message that won't go away when the piano is reset to factory settings. The piano also cannot save any settings even with the Backup switched from off to on. The other problem is that the Backup to OFF cannot be maintained after a powercycle. And then there's the "ERROR, DATA EXCHANGE" error when connecting with a laptop.

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Originally Posted by baileypeterson
Originally Posted by andy0140
Mike - which particular video(s) are you referring to ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG1GwWGhBA



Is there anyway to upgrade the decay time for older / new models that also have the short decay time via a flash upgrade or is this an issue of not having enough physical memory? Memory are cheap these days. Not sure why the piano didn't have the longer decay time to begin with.

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Cause the longer it is, the more evident is a bad looping!!!


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Re: Casio AP-650
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Pianoworldanon,
I have reached out to you privately to try to help you with your situation. I needed some basic information from you, like where you bought your Casio, your product serial number and specifically who at Casio you've been in touch with. You've told me that you don't want to tell me these things.

Clearly there is a breakdown in communication at Casio which I am trying to correct. I am trying to help you. Without information from you, I can't seem to figure out where you're getting this incorrect information. Casio will provide IN HOME WARRANTY REPAIR for Celviano products. This also includes large Privia models like PX-850. As the General Manager of the division, I'm quite certain what I am talking about.

If you'd like to provide me with this information, I'd personally make an effort to get your AP-620 up and running again. I also believe that there are adjustments to the the velocity curve and the brightness setting that will make you significantly happier with your AP-620.

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Originally Posted by Mike_Martin
Pianoworldanon,
I have reached out to you privately to try to help you with your situation. I needed some basic information from you, like where you bought your Casio, your product serial number and specifically who at Casio you've been in touch with. You've told me that you don't want to tell me these things.

Clearly there is a breakdown in communication at Casio which I am trying to correct. I am trying to help you. Without information from you, I can't seem to figure out where you're getting this incorrect information. Casio will provide IN HOME WARRANTY REPAIR for Celviano products. This also includes large Privia models like PX-850. As the General Manager of the division, I'm quite certain what I am talking about.

If you'd like to provide me with this information, I'd personally make an effort to get your AP-620 up and running again. I also believe that there are adjustments to the the velocity curve and the brightness setting that will make you significantly happier with your AP-620.


I've emailed you. One of the problems is that the piano can no longer save settings even though BACKUP is ON. The other issue is that it can't be reset back to factory defaults though it use to be able to and now gets the "please wait" error, though I'm fortunate that it would go away upon reboot, where as other people are not so lucky.

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Got your note. You'll hear from someone tomorrow.


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Re: Casio AP-650
andy0140 #2399720 03/18/15 01:36 PM
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I just stumbled onto this old thread re Casio AP-650 dating from 2012, till April 2013. I could not help but smile and shake my head. We are now in 2015, nothing much seems to have changed, at least here in Canada, regarding the difficulty in being able to locate a dealer who sells the Privia 850/860 or the AP 650, let alone find this elusive DP to see and touch.

I don't want to rehash old news, but the AP-650 is no longer a new model, so that can't be used as
an excuse for not being able to find one.

So what is Casio's reasoning that Canadians seem to be regulated to buying it from Costco, untried, unseen? I don't care how good a product is (and the AP650 seems to be a good DP for the average joe or jossie), if I can't try it I will not buy it! Call me pig headed if you wish.

I posed this question to Casio Canada recently and the reply was: "....management will decide who carries each keyboard. Not sure how they decide. You can return the keyboard if you wish to buy it from Costco....." I think they missed the point. I don't want to have to return the piano.

Great marketing!

Then there is the lack of in-home service. The comments posted in 2013 are still just as relevant
today. If Casio wants to be considered as one of the "big boys", well then, provide in-home service, just as the other big 3 do.


Plus ca change plus c'est pareil.




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Originally Posted by Tone Deaf

I just stumbled onto this old thread re Casio AP-650 dating from 2012, till April 2013. I could not help but smile and shake my head. We are now in 2015, nothing much seems to have changed, at least here in Canada, regarding the difficulty in being able to locate a dealer who sells the Privia 850/860 or the AP 650, let alone find this elusive DP to see and touch.

I don't want to rehash old news, but the AP-650 is no longer a new model, so that can't be used as
an excuse for not being able to find one.

So what is Casio's reasoning that Canadians seem to be regulated to buying it from Costco, untried, unseen? I don't care how good a product is (and the AP650 seems to be a good DP for the average joe or jossie), if I can't try it I will not buy it! Call me pig headed if you wish.

I posed this question to Casio Canada recently and the reply was: "....management will decide who carries each keyboard. Not sure how they decide. You can return the keyboard if you wish to buy it from Costco....." I think they missed the point. I don't want to have to return the piano.

Great marketing!

Then there is the lack of in-home service. The comments posted in 2013 are still just as relevant
today. If Casio wants to be considered as one of the "big boys", well then, provide in-home service, just as the other big 3 do.


Plus ca change plus c'est pareil.


As far as I remember there is an in-home service for the topmost Privia and for the Celviano models...
(It is another topic that a German webshop wrote me that they got the response I will practically not able to get any service on EU-warranty terms in Hungary)

About trying out: completely agreed. There are plenty of digital pianos from competitors you can try out on the market. If they dont want people to be able to try and compare that sounds no good... something to hide?


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Yes, lack of service plus the fact that both the AP-620 and AP-650 have real issues with initial decay resonance and a pedal problem (that I documented with Casio) happen to be the main reasons the OP (Andy) and others including myself have steered clear of Casio as there are other pianos that do not have these issues.

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Originally Posted by Tone Deaf

I just stumbled onto this old thread re Casio AP-650 dating from 2012, till April 2013. I could not help but smile and shake my head. We are now in 2015, nothing much seems to have changed, at least here in Canada, regarding the difficulty in being able to locate a dealer who sells the Privia 850/860 or the AP 650, let alone find this elusive DP to see and touch.

I don't want to rehash old news, but the AP-650 is no longer a new model, so that can't be used as
an excuse for not being able to find one.

So what is Casio's reasoning that Canadians seem to be regulated to buying it from Costco, untried, unseen? I don't care how good a product is (and the AP650 seems to be a good DP for the average joe or jossie), if I can't try it I will not buy it! Call me pig headed if you wish.

I posed this question to Casio Canada recently and the reply was: "....management will decide who carries each keyboard. Not sure how they decide. You can return the keyboard if you wish to buy it from Costco....." I think they missed the point. I don't want to have to return the piano.

Great marketing!

Then there is the lack of in-home service. The comments posted in 2013 are still just as relevant
today. If Casio wants to be considered as one of the "big boys", well then, provide in-home service, just as the other big 3 do.


Plus ca change plus c'est pareil.





As always, price becomes the issue. When I bought my 850 last year I had the option, as do you, of paying hundreds more for a similar dp from Yamaha, Roland, Kawai.

Based on reviews, I was willing to take the chance, save the money and buy sight unseen. Evidently many others follow the same path as this piano seems to have sold very well for Casio.

I completely understand that you want to see and touch before you buy and other manufacturers will give you that opportunity at a higher price.

But the old buying saw still applies: Low price, high quality, great service - pick any two.


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andy0140 #2732613 04/28/18 07:21 PM
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In 2018, AP-650 is still on top? And why amazon does not sell it?


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AP-700 was released since end of 2015. A few online stores are selling it, e.g. kraft music. Just do a search.

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I had an AP620 for a few years, served me well. I had service for an issue - no problem getting the in home service at all. The guy had to come twice to resolve the issue but it was taken care of promptly and professionally. I know this is an old thread but just putting it on there if anyone would benefit from this info.


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Originally Posted by WarrenY
AP-700 was released since end of 2015. A few online stores are selling it, e.g. kraft music. Just do a search.


Worth adding, they are not really comparable models in the sense the AP 700 is not an upgraded AP650. The AP650 has a lot of added sounds, rhythms, multitrack recording. The AP 700 is more piano focused, has very few sounds, but has the same sound engine as the GP300 with 3 grand piano sounds, which is an upgrade from the AP 650 in that respect. I am not sure Casio have made a model much like the AP 650 since, but the Casio website has all the models to compare.

Is it still on top ? If piano is your main focus I'd say no, than the AP470 offers an upgraded piano sound engine with improved sustain and resonances supposedly, not tried it so you would not have evaluate that yourself. The AP 700 would be worth trying also. All the extras in the AP 650 may well be a waste for you if piano is the main focus, something like the newer AP470 or AP 700 will likely be better for you.

If on the other hand you want lots of drum beats, other instrument sounds, auto accompaniment, multi track recording, and a bit of a band in a box solution, then the AP 650 may still be worth considering.


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I know this is an old thread

But AP650 is still on market


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