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In the spirit of recent threads on this Composers’ Forum, I have decided to seek advice for the new SONG I am writing. Approximate durations of notes are indicated in the newly accepted method: by lines ( _____).
Bb__ G#__ F#__ Ab__ | Cbb__ Bb__ A#_______ | G#__ Ab__ G#_______ | A#__ C#__ Db______ |
Although there are 13 notes so far, I think this is truly a Twelve-tone, serial song. I am now ready to start the retrograde phase, and need to know what everyone thinks.
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Why on earth go for Cbb instead of Bb? Anyhow... you've got 5 G# (and Ab) and 4 A# (given that Cbb is Bb and this is A#)... so officially it's not a 12-tone series in any case... It sounds might interesting though Ed... So keep at it!
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Hi Nikolas,
I know you are busy, but give this one a try.
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Dodecaphonic, twelve tone serialism, uses all notes in chromatic scale without giving any one of the notes more emphasis and all the notes have to be played once before moving on.
Here, you have A# and Bb, G# and Ab, C# and Db. These repeted notes will make room for tonal centers, so I do not believe this is twelve tone serialism.
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Dodecaphonic, twelve tone serialism, uses all notes in chromatic scale without giving any one of the notes more emphasis and all the notes have to be played once before moving on.
Here, you have A# and Bb, G# and Ab, C# and Db. These repeted notes will make room for tonal centers, so I do not believe this is twelve tone serialism. I don't worry much about all those troublesome structural rubrics - they seem to stifle my creativity! Have you tried my new Serial Song?
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Schubertslieder, you have given an admirably serious reply, and I can't tell if you are playing along, or if you have missed LoPresti's satirical intent.
Serious question though: this is an international forum, accessible to anyone. It doesn't have requirements that people have a particular training in music or theory or composition or, more pointedly, acculturation into the norms to which LoPresti is implicitly appealing. How should one respond when a post is put up that reveals what might seem like lamentable gaps in musical, theoretical, and compositional background? LoPresti seems to like satire. I prefer taking posters seriously, and nudging them along towards knowledge that I think will be helpful.
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Hi Nikolas,
I know you are busy, but give this one a try.
Ed Heh... got it! I'm silly enough and this is evidence of it. I went the theoretical way, as much as subertsomething did...;)
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. . . or if you have missed LoPresti's satirical intent. . . . Spoil-sport . . .
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Ed,
Your melody sounds suspiciously like a song about Mary and a lamb. Why do I feel this insistent tugging on my leg?
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Hi, Steve,
Whenever in doubt, a good composer ALWAYS trusts his leg!
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No worries. I had to run and didn't have time to finish my reply, so the last reply was only half of it.
With pleasure, I tried LoPresti's work and looking forward to the rest of his finished product.
Sure I enjoy fun just as much as the next guy. Sure I did see the humor but couldn't get back to finishing my reply.
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There is no doubt LoPresti's work is full of fun.
I do enjoy everything on this site both fun and serious work.
When I can't get back to finishing my reply, there is nothing much I can do about it.
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Ah, and I hadn't got around to trying to sound out this 12-tone wonder. But I am glad to hear that it is actually a SONG, and not that pedestrian run-of-the-mill thing: a piece. (Although not so run-of-the-mill perhaps, since we so often hear of songs here on PW and so seldom of pieces.)
The non-traditional choice of sharps and flats clearly points to an inventive harmonization, necessitating such delights as A# and Cbb for reasons of correct harmonic spelling. I look forward to seeing the chords for this modernist flight of fancy. (I know, I know, modernism is so 20th century. What can I say, I'm a most conservative iconoclast.)
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Hi LoPresti
This a fun composition, which I truly and fully support. Close to being a masterpiece, no doubt.
I did try it like you asked and almost loved it.
Good luck.
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That Cbb is wonderfully bringing this piece together.
May I please make a suggestion?
Cbb__G#__F#__Ab__| Cbb__Cbb__Cbb___ G#__Ab__G#___. | Cbb__C#__Db
Feedbacks are welcome.
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Clearly all the piece needs is a few G-triple-sharps and maybe a D-quadruple-flat or two.
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I am thrilled that my little question has attracted such diversified responses, and especially from such an illustrious collection of musical talent!
I think my next step, for variety sake, will be to implement the RETROGRADE, but perhaps backwards. Please keep the encouragement coming . . .
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Hi
You can implement the retrograde but not before transposing, only just after inverting it, which will bring it much needed retrograde-inversion. Seeing that Cbb is bringing this piece to a climax, I would leave it in. As Polyphonist said, add some triple sharps and quadruple flats for the sake of variety.
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Hi
You can implement the retrograde but not before transposing, only just after inverting it, which will bring it much needed retrograde-inversion. Seeing that Cbb is bringing this piece to a climax, I would leave it in. As Polyphonist said, add some triple sharps and quadruple flats for the sake of variety. Personally, I hate writing 8va signs, so instead I put twelve sharp signs in front of each note (or 6 double sharp signs, depending on my mood).
Regards,
Polyphonist
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