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Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? #2063348
04/12/13 08:38 AM
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The reason I ask the question is that when I press any key hard, but let me say as an example middle C, that when, as I said I press the key hard, of course, the key sounds loud, but counting everytime immediately from 1 to 8 representing a 4/4 2 measure count of time, the key or note fades by time I get to 6 or 7 and not the count of 8. Lot of pieces have a tie symbol over 2 measures of music in 4/4. The question is whether there is an adjustment for the sustain length for the notes as played on expensive digital piano. That is the only frustration I have on my digital pianos, a Clavanova and Yam keyboard with weighted keys. and love them otherwise. The sustain pedal, of course, is completely different because it sustains everything that is ever played after the pedal is pressed as opposed to an isolated note or chord played normally.

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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063349
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Do you mean the middle pedal? Which only sustains the notes/chords, played instead of all of them?

Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: justpin] #2063359
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Well, my Clavanova only has 2 foot pedals and the Yam keyboard has 2 1 foot pedal that does the sustain.

But the issue is not the foot pedal at all. It is an issue that if you have an acoustic piano, the sustaining of a note is very long and awesome, as I say just press any key on any acoustic piano the notes lasts a very long time because it is an acoustic piano. My problem is that I love my two digital pianos but when I press a key on a digital piano and count from 1 to 8, time of a note or chord played over two measures in 4/4/ held by a tie symbol, my count of time is short because I only ever get to the count of 6 or 7. If you are playing the piano (digital) and you play a piece to the count or tie of two measure, you have lost the sound of the note or chord played because it has faded 1 or 2 seconds short of the time needed, if you will.

I hope you are understanding my post, and if not please explain what you do not understand. Thank you.

I just reread your post and you mentioned there is a foot pedal that sustains a single note, which is quite funny because I am only a beginner and only ever play any piano without the pedals because I haven't learned them yet, and secondly, I only use the piano keys/notes pressed hard or soft to get the sounds of the notes I like but again this not a pedal issue regardless of how many pedals any piano has, it is the issue of the length of any sustain of a note on any digital piano and in this case the issue in question is the sustain length of time when pressing a key on a digital piano and how long any digital piano will or will not sustain a note for the length of time of the count of two measures of time in a 4/4 2 measures held by a tie. Hope everyone or at least one person understands my post and could politely answer. Or please explain to me why I seem more crazy than I already know I am. Thank you.

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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063363
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Hi Michael,

I am prettys sure some digital pianos expose user parameters for fine-tuning the decay time. However it is not the case for my Clavinova.

I would for example expect Roland's SuperNatural pianos to allow that, since the decay is synthesized on those pianos.

I am also sure some SW pianos, like Pianoteq, allow fine-tuning the decay time.

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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063364
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The only thing that made your first post confusing was at the end, where you added the part about the sustain pedal being "completely different" -- the maximum length of the sustain should be identical, regardless of whether you keep the key depressed with your finger OR press the pedal. Assuming that was a red herring, then, the issue is that, indeed, on many DPs, held (or pedaled) notes don't sustain for as long as they do on many real pianos, or the sustain gets too quiet too soon. (And to be more precise, although we call it a "sustain" pedal, we're actually talking about the "decay.") This is generally not adjustable, though there are exceptions, like the modeled Roland V-Piano.

Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063365
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Kawai CA95/CA65, CS10/CS7, MP10/MP6 all allow the decay time of a sound to be adjusted.

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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Kawai James] #2063368
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And, like in the other thread where you said exactly the same, still nobody knows how fast or slow you count.

Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Paolo70] #2063373
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Yes, thank you very much for answering. My clavanova is 20 or more than years old so everything has changed and I understand that. And my Yam digital keyboard is very new, a P 95, for 600 dollars Canadian so I would not expect a cheap digital weighted keys keyboard to have an adjustable sustain and only have basic stuff.

And we all know there are digital pianos that cost 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and up thousands of dollars and I wondered if such digital pianos are that awesome and it sounds like that is what you are saying which is good news.

I also play an acoustic piano but I don't have big dollars for the top of the line digital but in the end just playing any piano is awesome. It is great to play any piano in any condition but better if it is in good condition to play.

Well, reviewing the posts, I add that I am an old man 64. I am a beginner piano player. I play little piano pieces. I am not a young rocker, I am a beginner and as beginners we play slowly and accurately. I was giving the count of an average piece of music like Happy Birthday, or whatever.
I use to play a sax for 4 or 5 years and had a professional teacher and played in a blues band , jazz band , a sax quartet and two concert bands and when I raised the question that experience was used. So yes, the count of 8 could be anything but nobody said or ever replied that any digital they play was a count of 8, 10, 40, 100 or anything - just that my count could be anytime. It sounded like a young man speaking to an old man. I love my digital. I wish they were lighter and were battery operated, which will in time be like the computer, laptops, etc and I can take my digital to a coffee bar and drink and play the piano all day with headphones, or at the library or the university or anywhere you can sit, stand or play on your back on the floor with the keyboard tilted. That is how awesome digitals are for 600 dollars and dropping in price. When I was in the hospital for 5 months I took a keyboard and the hospital said they had lots of laptops but nobody every brought a keyboard/piano. See how much this old man loves digitals regardless of the sustain of 8 the digital has.
cheers.


And replying to the part about the sustain confusion above - I am old and only know old language so I don't use the word decay but I understand the word. I never think of an acoustic piano that has a sound that is decaying. Notes in music to my understanding are played and the note can be heard for a certain time that is average and then could be sustained by a pedal.

Electronically, I could see the word decay being used though.

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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063402
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Let's use seconds. If I press middle C quite hard on my DP, sort of pp, and hold the key down, the note sustains to my (also 'old') hearing for around 15 seconds, decaying all the time.

Press softer, dies quicker, press harder lasts longer, so even using seconds to time it, it is still only a ballpark.

So 4/4 time at 60bpm, no problem with ties or slurs or phrases over several bars.

I think this is pretty typical of most modern DP's I have played or owned, ranging from Casio low entry, Kawai mid-range, Roland mid-high, Yamaha high-end.

As James says, some are adjustable too.

What does your do, in seconds?

Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063443
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Even in my first book be it sax or piano I had songs at very different speeds. Anyhow, I like your division of music into basic and rock and roll.

On my Cn34 an f middle c lasts roughly 25 seconds (measured with a metronome at60bpm) and yes decay sounds harsh but its GH the technical term even on acoustic instruments.

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Michael, are you winding these good fellas up a little? grin


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Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: peterws] #2063696
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peterws, I have read your post, here:

Michael, are you winding these good fellas up a little? grin

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The humour is that I have been posting in the news group for about a year and nobody ever responded to my post immediately as I was reposting and correcting errors and that is mainly because the world is asleep. But being the digital piano forum, people are awake not playing their piano and doing scales at 3 or 4 a.m. pacific standard time but are on their computers reading my posts.


I think I got my answer, sort of, and they got my reply, sort of. But thanks for your interest (grin).


Re: Is there a sustain button on expensive digital pianos? [Re: Michael_99] #2063815
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Originally Posted by Michael_99


Well, reviewing the posts, I add that I am an old man 64. I am a beginner piano player.


Hey, 64 is NOT old!


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