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#2061985 - 04/09/13 02:57 PM Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect  
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Well, we "know" we will see Roland and Nord with some new stuff. What else should we "expect" or just "wish" to see.


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#2062029 - 04/09/13 04:01 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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I hope to see very little exciting. I just did my taxes, and I spent way too much on gear last year. I'm hoping for fewer temptations this year. ;-)

That said, from Yamaha, I'd like to see a Motif Rack that could hold an XF-style flash board... I'm surprised we haven't seen that, considering how long the Motif XF has been out and how long they have been selling the Rack XS. Other than that, any 73+ key board with aftertouch that weighs under 25 lbs would get my attention.

#2062047 - 04/09/13 04:38 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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#2062092 - 04/09/13 06:35 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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You could wait a few more hours and find out. wink


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#2062094 - 04/09/13 06:39 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: voxpops]  
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Originally Posted by voxpops
You could wait a few more hours and find out. wink


...BUT I GOT GAS!!!


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#2062128 - 04/09/13 08:33 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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I think my GAS is all about Kawai. I love my ES7 and the CA65/95 but I am so ready for MP10 upgrade. Give me GF for starters. Then maybe 256 Poly (just because) plus 324 CN34 sounds for when I get board and need to procrastinate ;-) I can totally live without on-board speakers in trade.

Kawai, make my wish come true!

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#2062149 - 04/09/13 09:20 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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I can't imagine GF being in the new MP10 replacement - If they stuffed RM3-2 into the VPC1, why would they stick a better action into the new MP10 successor? Besides, the GF is a longer action which would make for an even bigger stage piano than what we already have with the MP10.


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#2062152 - 04/09/13 09:34 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Keegan]  
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Good point Keegan. My bad. Ok I think i meant RM3 GrandII w/ triple sensor will be fine


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#2062238 - 04/10/13 01:39 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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I just wonder if Yamaha is going to introduce an update to the CLP line. The 4xx models were presented at MusikMesse as well 2 years ago. An update would do just fine. smile


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#2062265 - 04/10/13 04:06 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Clayman]  
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Originally Posted by Clayman
I just wonder if Yamaha is going to introduce an update to the CLP line. The 4xx models were presented at MusikMesse as well 2 years ago. An update would do just fine. smile

Yamaha has a video on their German webpage, where they say what they present on the Musikmesse.
Yamaha presentation (German)


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#2062299 - 04/10/13 06:34 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: patH]  
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Originally Posted by patH

Yamaha has a video on their German webpage, where they say what they present on the Musikmesse.
Yamaha presentation (German)


Thanks for the link. The video was a short intro to Yamaha's presence on MM, the lady did not mention anything specific.

I'll keep a close on what's going on for sure. smile


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#2062304 - 04/10/13 06:59 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Clayman]  
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Originally Posted by Clayman
Originally Posted by patH

Yamaha has a video on their German webpage, where they say what they present on the Musikmesse.
Yamaha presentation (German)


Thanks for the link. The video was a short intro to Yamaha's presence on MM, the lady did not mention anything specific.

I'll keep a close on what's going on for sure. smile


Check the "Neue Produkte" page: http://de.yamaha.com/de/about_yamaha/musikmesse/products/

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#2062309 - 04/10/13 07:17 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: raikkU]  
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Originally Posted by raikkU


I did. smile To be more specific, I was looking for news regarding CLP digital pianos but that section lists the same models we have now. I figure Yamaha is not going to update that line after all.


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#2062318 - 04/10/13 08:06 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Sound controller App is really great for all users with a midi board without pitch and mod wheels and other controls ! But I am afraid it is only working with YAMAHA instruments ? Otherwise nice for the VPC1 / FP-80 / ES7 and others !

#2062319 - 04/10/13 08:08 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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New Korg Kross looks pretty cool - very lightweight too!

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#2062320 - 04/10/13 08:14 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Sort of cheaper Krome , which was already a cheaper Kronos wannabe ? Wonder how much it will cost. I would say € 999 street price for the 88 , since the Krome 88 is about € 1499...

Perhaps competitor to the PX5S ? But for sure the keys on the Casio are better. So I wonder what the target audience is.

Unfortunately again no aftertouch. Was to be expected...

#2062322 - 04/10/13 08:26 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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@JFP, you are dead on with price.

"The Korg KROSS goes on sale in August, and is expected to be priced at $699 for the 61-key and $999 for the 88-key."

Batteries not included ;-)


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#2062354 - 04/10/13 10:36 AM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Not new news, but I would still like to see more live demos on the Numa Concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kuk5jGKLUg


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#2062438 - 04/10/13 03:37 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Kurzweil Artis ; finally something new from Kurzweil (?!) at least a new piano sample set (?)

Hardly any info yet, not even on their own site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hnqUwASI9LQ

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#2062443 - 04/10/13 04:08 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Yamaha Modus F02 (new) - can't really see what new features it has compared to the existing line, but perhaps a Yamaha fan will know...

#2062447 - 04/10/13 04:21 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: JFP]  
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Originally Posted by JFP
Kurzweil Artis ; finally something new from Kurzweil (?!) at least a new piano sample set (?)

Hardly any info yet, not even on their own site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hnqUwASI9LQ


There's an ever expanding thread going on over at KC on the new Artis. Dave Weiser from Kurzweil is giving a few more details.
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbth...rzweil_upped_the_ante_New_ke#Post2484242

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#2062449 - 04/10/13 04:32 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Not new news, but I would still like to see more live demos on the Numa Concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kuk5jGKLUg



You know..in that video , it sounds good. Certainly as good and maybe a tad better then the Casio PX5. But I'd be wary of any support if something goes wrong. Studiologic reportedly has zero support and customer service.

At least with Casio, you have almost instant contact with Mike Martin here or at Keyboard Corner.


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#2062452 - 04/10/13 04:41 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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Thanks !

They all say the YouTube vid sounded soooo good by the way. Perhaps I missed something , but I thought it was quite horrible. Would love to hear some more proper sound-only demo's of the grand. Not a video-shot "play while talking on an unfinished prototype board and I don't even know what's inside" kind of rough recording....

In other words couldn't get a good impression of the Grand in this video. What about half-pedaling, string resonance and other AP 'standards' by the way. Any info yet ? Was absent on previous Kurzes so far.

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Yeah agree...I couldn't tell anything by the You tube video either. I didn't think it was terrible, but it sounded like just *another* dp...no better or worse. Hopefully , with all the time time they say they've been working on it wink , it will sound better in a more controlled and detailed environment.

Like I said in my post, I'll be anxious to play it.


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#2062465 - 04/10/13 05:07 PM Re: Musikmesse 2013: wish vs. expect [Re: Marko in Boston]  
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But...it's still Fatar (TP100) , however with aftertouch - which will make it more interesting controller-wise. Does this new TP100 also have three sensors - I read it was in the making for somewhere in the future. Perhaps this is "the one" ?

Sidenote: mystery to me why they put the non-fatar weighted keys in the SP5-8 (with aftertouch too); it made the SP5 soooo heavy compared to the SP4-8 !

Hope we can have a decent sound demo online soon from Kurzweil. Love to here about the added grand-piano features that have become so standard these days. Simply 6 layers and then nothing else won't do it (e.g. no smoothing of layer transitions like PHI / SN /AIR , no half-pedal, no sympathic resonance). Then you will get a bad Korg Kronos imitation which also lacks these sophisticated features that most other brands offer. OK for pop/rock stage, not for subtile classical / jazz playing and spoiled ears ;-)

I the new TP100 has been improved , has three sensors and the new AP grand has the added piano effects , they may have nailed it. I hope so for Kurzweil - always had sympathy for them, despite their endless recycling of the same old hardware design and sounds. Big plus was always the full featured and flexible controller functionality of the K and PC3 series. Very player oriented.

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I took a look at that Kurzweil Artis and it looks really wide.



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Another video. Check out the jam on the Kurzweil Artis; Always fun to see new boards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fID0JAczJrw

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