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#2057487 - 03/31/13 04:59 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
You've left out quite a bit of common repertoire I can think of; Mendelssohn for one. There are easily orchestras for at least 100 concertos.

Maybe GeorgeB would like to ask his teacher and list them for us? wink


He's got them on his website. Very impressive though several of them are extremely obscure.

If I wanted to disclose who/where I study with I would have said it in my first post.

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#2057516 - 03/31/13 07:00 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: Olivero]  
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Originally Posted by Olivero
In Barenboim's view, it was the great Chilean pianist Claudio Arrau who had "probably the widest repertoire of any pianist, past or present."

I think you are correct, at least from what I have read. (Sorry I didn't get on this last night, I had to play an Easter service on the organ at moment's notice.)

The one composer conspicuously missing from Arrau's repertoire is Rachmaninov. I'm sure he must have dabbled in his music at some point, yet in later life he could only say 'Rachmaninov writes for the public'.

Well that seems a bit unfair, if I may so so. I think Arrau could have given us the most noble recording of R's 2nd Concerto, he would have elevated it to Brahms territory, and made us hear it differently than anyone before or since.



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Originally Posted by argerichfan
I think Arrau could have given us the most noble recording of R's 2nd Concerto, he would have elevated it to Brahms territory, and made us hear it differently than anyone before or since.



That's what I'd be afraid of, if Arrau did play Rachmaninov.

His Chopin - especially the concertante works - are really something of an acquired taste. I think he forgot that Chopin lived most of his life in France, not Germany.......


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#2057530 - 03/31/13 07:29 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: BruceD]  
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Originally Posted by BruceD


Are there "over 100" (piano) concerti that would have been performed and/or recorded? Would this not have to include some pretty obscure works? Where would one find the orchestra - or even the scores - for such obscure works?

What am I missing in this "over 100" list?



I don't know how they dig up the scores, but Hyperion's Romantic Piano Concerto series has already gone past the one hundred mark and shows no sign of stopping. And, it's a restricted subset of concertos. There are, I would imagine, at least as many written both before and, especially, after the Romantic era, and many of pretty decent quality.

By the way, another pianist with a vast repertoire is Garrick Ohlsson - he has played far more than just what has appeared on recordings. For example, I remember that he did a Busoni survey that stretched over three solo recitals, but I don't think any recordings of solo Busoni from him have been released.


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#2057533 - 03/31/13 07:37 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: bennevis]  
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Originally Posted by bennevis

That's what I'd be afraid of, if Arrau did play Rachmaninov.

Why do you say that, my friend?

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His Chopin - especially the concertante works - are really something of an acquired taste.

Well, perhaps, he might have left Chopin well enough alone. I have never warmed to the concertos, nor anything else of Chopin. His Bb minor Prelude confronts the difficulties with a stoic resolve, no bluster and smear, but also no kinetic energy on the level of an Argerich.


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Originally Posted by argerichfan
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That's what I'd be afraid of, if Arrau did play Rachmaninov.

Why do you say that, my friend?



Rachmaninov has his moments of grandeur but also lots of filigree writing, which I don't think suits Arrau (judging by his Feux follets and Chopin). So, on balance, the moments of appropriate gravitas that he might bring to Rach's Big Tunes, will likely not compensate for inappropriate heaviness elsewhere.


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#2057550 - 03/31/13 08:27 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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En fin, mes amis, all your top performers have to be able to play everything in the book. Not only that, they have to learn some things overnight. In fact, I believe that's part of the Cliburn competition - they give you something new and you have to set yourself down and read it cold...


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In their prime/early years, I'd argue Rubinstein (Anton), Josef Hoffman, and Horowitz.
Recently, my insane friend Mei-ting has performed the complete works of Chopin, all the Beethoven sonatas (including the violin and cello), and complete Brahms (solo and chamber) eek


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#2057563 - 03/31/13 09:01 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: Auntie Lynn]  
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Originally Posted by Auntie Lynn
En fin, mes amis, all your top performers have to be able to play everything in the book. Not only that, they have to learn some things overnight.

Ah yes, Auntie, did it this morning, played a church service with about 12 hours notice. Spent most of it practising, sorry to boast, but this was BIG for me and put me on the substitute circuit.

Sometimes you cannot look back, there is no time, and everything needs to be attacked as if your life depended upon it.


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I'm too lazy to count the number of works in this list, but it seems pretty diverse. Definitely not in the 800 range though:
http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_12_Repertoire.html

This is quite interesting because my impression is that this list has a lot of works Horowitz played before 1940 or 1950 that he rarely played later in his career.

Yeah, I haven't looked at the list yet, but I would have guessed this straightaway. Many critics' accounts that I've read indicated that he chose to play the same composers and the same pieces far more frequently in his 'mature' career.


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To my knowledge, Richter didn't completely memorise music but played it from the score, so that might explain his large repertoire.

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Originally Posted by Gomtorus
To my knowledge, Richter didn't completely memorise music but played it from the score, so that might explain his large repertoire.
That was only near the very end of his career.

#2057731 - 04/01/13 09:54 AM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus

Other candidates?


Biret ?

#2057735 - 04/01/13 10:07 AM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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One that hasn't been mentioned is Grant Johannesen. Frankly, I don't know how large his entire repertoire is, but I always admired his predilection for programming and recording lesser-known but still high-quality piano repertoire, such as that of Chabrier and de Severac.

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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by Auntie Lynn
En fin, mes amis, all your top performers have to be able to play everything in the book. Not only that, they have to learn some things overnight.

Ah yes, Auntie, did it this morning, played a church service with about 12 hours notice. Spent most of it practising, sorry to boast, but this was BIG for me and put me on the substitute circuit.

Sometimes you cannot look back, there is no time, and everything needs to be attacked as if your life depended upon it.


Congratulations! That is super, Jason!! It sounds as though this may lead to other opportunities for you- hope so!

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
One that hasn't been mentioned is Grant Johannesen. Frankly, I don't know how large his entire repertoire is, but I always admired his predilection for programming and recording lesser-known but still high-quality piano repertoire, such as that of Chabrier and de Severac.

Funny you should mention Johannesen. I had the opportunity to play for him in 1976 (briefly) when he was a guest artist at the University of Nebraska. I recall I performed excerpts from the Symphonic Etudes - and he provided helpful suggestions. Very nice gentleman - and a wonderful pianist. He was known as an interpreter of French piano music and I understand he recorded the complete solo piano works of Gabriel Fauré.


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Originally Posted by argerichfan

Ah yes, Auntie, did it this morning, played a church service with about 12 hours notice. Spent most of it practising, sorry to boast, but this was BIG for me and put me on the substitute circuit. Sometimes you cannot look back, there is no time, and everything needs to be attacked as if your life depended upon it.


Now that you're on the substitute circuit - you're going to be very very busy !!! Great news - Congrats !! thumb


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#2058105 - 04/01/13 11:09 PM Re: Which pianist had the largest performing repertoire? [Re: GeorgeB]  
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You've left out quite a bit of common repertoire I can think of; Mendelssohn for one. There are easily orchestras for at least 100 concertos.

Maybe GeorgeB would like to ask his teacher and list them for us? wink


He's got them on his website. Very impressive though several of them are extremely obscure.

If I wanted to disclose who/where I study with I would have said it in my first post.


Seems a little shady, if you ask me. Why would you tell us about your amazing teacher and then refuse to disclose who he/she is? Wouldn't you be proud to study with someone who supposedly has such a huge performance repertoire?


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I'm sure I read somewhere that Grant Johannesen learnt a piano/orchestra version of the Beethoven violin concerto at a day's notice as an emergency stand-in.

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ronde -- actually, I remember that event -- and, you're close, but no cigar! The pianist in question was Gunnar Johansen, a Danish pianist and student of Busoni, who was both professor of piano and artist-in-residence at the University of Wisconsin, here in Madison. In addition to pulling that off (I believe with Ormandy and the Philadephia Orchestra), he recorded ALL the piano music of Bach and Busoni, in some cases using a special two-manual piano that he himself directed to be built. Very well could be a candidate for the largest performing repertoire, now that I think about it.

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
ronde -- actually, I remember that event -- and, you're close, but no cigar! The pianist in question was Gunnar Johansen, a Danish pianist and student of Busoni, who was both professor of piano and artist-in-residence at the University of Wisconsin, here in Madison.


Ah, thanks for the correction. My memory was a little sketchy!

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
ronde -- actually, I remember that event -- and, you're close, but no cigar! The pianist in question was Gunnar Johansen, a Danish pianist and student of Busoni, who was both professor of piano and artist-in-residence at the University of Wisconsin, here in Madison. In addition to pulling that off (I believe with Ormandy and the Philadephia Orchestra), he recorded ALL the piano music of Bach and Busoni, in some cases using a special two-manual piano that he himself directed to be built. Very well could be a candidate for the largest performing repertoire, now that I think about it.


He also recorded 53 LPs worth of Liszt.

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Originally Posted by pianojosh23
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ronde -- actually, I remember that event -- and, you're close, but no cigar! The pianist in question was Gunnar Johansen, a Danish pianist and student of Busoni, who was both professor of piano and artist-in-residence at the University of Wisconsin, here in Madison. In addition to pulling that off (I believe with Ormandy and the Philadephia Orchestra), he recorded ALL the piano music of Bach and Busoni, in some cases using a special two-manual piano that he himself directed to be built. Very well could be a candidate for the largest performing repertoire, now that I think about it.


He also recorded 53 LPs worth of Liszt.


And the complete works of Ignaz Friedman, as well as 20 cassettes of his own compositions. Amazing guy.


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Sarah Davis Buechner is touring with a repertoire of like 100 pieces.

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Of course, after a while a thread usually veers somewhat off topic. But please note in my OP I specified PERFORMING repertoire(not recorded repertoire)and more importantly was interested in pianists who had the BROADEST(widest range of composers and musical periods).

Some of the pianists mentioned may well rival or surpass Richter in these areas, but OTOH some of the pianists mentioned are very limited in either the breadth of their repertoire or have probably not performed much of their recorded rep in concert.

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Though he only dabbled in the more "modern" music a bit, Pollini seems to have consistently played all periods pretty well.

(except for his Liszt sonata, yuck !(IMO))


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Going to go out on a limb here, as the basis for this answer is just what I read in Amy Fay's memoir, but I believe Franz Liszt is the answer.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
...please note in my OP I specified PERFORMING repertoire(not recorded repertoire)and more importantly was interested in pianists who had the BROADEST(widest range of composers and musical periods).

Some of the pianists mentioned may well rival or surpass Richter in these areas, but OTOH some of the pianists mentioned are very limited in either the breadth of their repertoire or have probably not performed much of their recorded rep in concert.


That's an important distinction. For example, Rubinstein recorded most of Chopin's works except the Etudes - including three sets of Nocturnes, Mazurkas, and Waltzes. But from the concert programs I've reviewed, he only played a selected few in public. But he also played several Etudes which were never recorded.

I think what we'd need is a series of databases that list various pianists and their programs. I only know of a few, such as this (http://gmlile.com/rachdiary/index.aspx) and this (http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html).


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