Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
63 registered members (Adam S., AZNpiano, bayareabiker, barefoot, AZ_Astro, 5 invisible), 1,613 guests, and 10 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2056392 - 03/29/13 05:54 PM Sonatina Suggestions?  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
ClsscLib Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013
ClsscLib  Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013


Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
Northern VA, U.S.
I've been playing seriously for almost 1-1/2 years, taking a lesson every week with a good teacher. I'm no prodigy, and while I love to play, the short pieces I've been working range, at the ragged edge of performability, from Level 4 to Level 6.

My teacher wants me to play a Sonatina because she wants me to get some experience with a longer-form work, but the problem is that (based on recordings), almost all the Sonatinas I've heard (e.g., from the Shirmer or Alfred Sonatina albums) are not very appealing to me musically. (I find, for example, the shorter and simpler works by Bach, Schumann, and Tchaikovsky much more appealing.)

If I'm going to spend a lot of time and effort on a piece, I want to really like the piece, and most of these works don't strike me as being very sophisticated, either intellectually or emotionally.

Two possible exceptions are the Clementi Op 36 no 4 and the Kuhlau op 20 no 2.

According to the suggested "progressive order" of works in the Schirmer album, the Clementi is about halfway up the degree-of-difficulty ladder, and the Kuhlau is towards the top. Maybe both of these are too advanced for me now anyway.

Any thoughts on those works or anything else in Sonatina form that you've found you really liked?

Thanks!

Last edited by ClsscLib; 03/29/13 06:05 PM.

[Linked Image] [Linked Image][Linked Image]

"People may say I can't sing, but no one can ever say I didn't sing."

-- Florence Foster Jenkins
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2056394 - 03/29/13 05:57 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,592
casinitaly Online blank

Gold Supporter until March 1 2014
casinitaly  Online Blank


Gold Supporter until March 1 2014


Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,592
Italy
Beethoven's Sonatina in G ?


[Linked Image]
#2056412 - 03/29/13 06:30 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
pianopaws Offline
Full Member
pianopaws  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
North Carolina, USA
Does it have to be a sonatina by a "classical" composer? There are many nice sonatinas by teaching composers such as Dennis Alexander, Melody Bober, William Gillock, Kevin Olson, to name a few. You might have better luck finding a more sophisticated sounding piece at your level with one of these composers.


M.M., Piano performance and pedagogy
Member, MTNA and NCMTA
#2056454 - 03/29/13 07:42 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: casinitaly]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
ClsscLib Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013
ClsscLib  Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013


Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
Northern VA, U.S.
Originally Posted by casinitaly
Beethoven's Sonatina in G ?


For whatever it's worth, that's supposedly at the top of the Shirmer progressive degree-of-difficulty ladder.

Lovely piece, though!


Last edited by ClsscLib; 03/29/13 08:28 PM.

[Linked Image] [Linked Image][Linked Image]

"People may say I can't sing, but no one can ever say I didn't sing."

-- Florence Foster Jenkins
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#2056594 - 03/29/13 11:56 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 9,138
Polyphonist Offline
9000 Post Club Member
Polyphonist  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 9,138
New York City
Haydn and Mozart both wrote sets of sonatinas, which you can buy here:

http://www.amazon.com/Viennese-Sonatinas-Alfred-Masterwork-Editions/dp/0739030450
http://www.amazon.com/Sonatinas-Alfred-Masterwork-Franz-Joseph/dp/0739008552

Don't know where they would stand in the Schirmer progressive difficulty ladder you mentioned.


Regards,

Polyphonist
#2056964 - 03/30/13 04:32 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: casinitaly]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
ClsscLib Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013
ClsscLib  Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013


Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,550
Northern VA, U.S.
Originally Posted by casinitaly
Beethoven's Sonatina in G ?


Apparently there are two Beethoven Sonatinas in G major. The one that's rated as relatively difficult in the Schirmer (Kohler) collection is the Opus 49 No 2. The other one appears to be about a level 3 piece, depending on who's grading.

They're both lovely, though.


[Linked Image] [Linked Image][Linked Image]

"People may say I can't sing, but no one can ever say I didn't sing."

-- Florence Foster Jenkins
#2057039 - 03/30/13 07:10 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,592
casinitaly Online blank

Gold Supporter until March 1 2014
casinitaly  Online Blank


Gold Supporter until March 1 2014


Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,592
Italy
Originally Posted by ClsscLib
Originally Posted by casinitaly
Beethoven's Sonatina in G ?


Apparently there are two Beethoven Sonatinas in G major. The one that's rated as relatively difficult in the Schirmer (Kohler) collection is the Opus 49 No 2. The other one appears to be about a level 3 piece, depending on who's grading.

They're both lovely, though.


I have no doubt then, that the one I suggested is the level 3 piece ! smile


[Linked Image]
#2057156 - 03/31/13 12:33 AM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Derulux  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,446
Philadelphia
For sonatinas, Clementi is my favorite. Once you develop the technique, you'll be able to learn one in a day or two, so you can rip through an entire book in a couple of weeks. And I think the vast majority of them are fun to play.


Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.
#2057189 - 03/31/13 04:15 AM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,393
Bobpickle Offline

Gold Supporter until July 10  2014
Bobpickle  Offline

Gold Supporter until July 10  2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,393
Cameron Park, California
Beethoven's Sonatina in F Major is a fun piece my teacher likes to teach. Pianostreet has it at grade 5 abrsm


"[The trick to life isn't] just about living forever. The trick is still living with yourself forever."
#2057436 - 03/31/13 04:03 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 15,853
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Morodiene  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 15,853
Boynton Beach, FL
What about a neo-classical sonatina? There is one by Alexander Gedike Sonatina In C Major, Op. 36, No. 20. Also, Diabelli wrote several accessible sonatinas. I second looking at modern composers like Kevin Olson and Dennis Alexander for interesting/appealing ideas.


private piano/voice teacher FT

[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
#2057741 - 04/01/13 11:24 AM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: Morodiene]  
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 24
itsahobbie Offline
Full Member
itsahobbie  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 24
diabelli in Gmajor is really nice. c major really good too but maybe a bit harder. listen to them on u tube and let me know what u think...

#2057957 - 04/01/13 05:50 PM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12
songwire Offline
Junior Member
songwire  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12
NE Ohio
James Hook: Plenty of beautiful sonatinas. I am playing one now that is slightly more complicated than the Beethoven Sonatina in Gmajor.

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Twelve-Sonatinas-Op-12/5849386

Last edited by songwire; 04/01/13 06:04 PM.
#2059727 - 04/05/13 09:55 AM Re: Sonatina Suggestions? [Re: ClsscLib]  
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 75
Quarkomatic Offline
Full Member
Quarkomatic  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 75
Toronto, ON, Canada
I quite like Clementi Op. 36 No. 6 - it's considered grade 7 by the RCM. I was also working on Beethoven Op. 49 No. 1 Rondo, a grade 8 piece, but after nearly year on it, my tempo is still limited by what I can manage for the sections with sixteenth notes in the left hand. Setting it aside to focus on the Clementi for now, and I'll come back to it when I have played some more of the easier sonatinas.


Moderated by  BB Player, casinitaly 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad)
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
The truth about the blues scales.
by Nahum. 06/23/17 02:44 AM
Yet Another ETD thread
by DoelKees. 06/23/17 01:31 AM
Piano Technician Academy & Their Tools
by Gimpt. 06/23/17 01:23 AM
To Shake up the Digital Piano scene?
by peterws. 06/22/17 06:08 PM
HELP: Lirika String Measurements
by Lirika. 06/22/17 05:01 PM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics180,402
Posts2,638,335
Members88,164
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Check It Out!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0