Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
119 registered members (augustm, anamnesis, AlanB, Bambers, 36251, anotherscott, 30 invisible), 2,114 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2056163 - 03/29/13 11:03 AM C Major Scale Question  
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 45
kent2012 Offline
Full Member
kent2012  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 45
I've read on two different sites different explanations.

http://www.pianoclues.com/2008/01/11/how-to-construct-chords/

says 1-3-5 would = C-E-G

but http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lukivr/KeyChd.html says

1-3-5 would = C-Em-G

which is it please?

I thought the chord formula for a major chord is M m m M M m o M like the second site says, if so shouldn't C Em G be the right 1-3-5 ?

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2056167 - 03/29/13 11:12 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
LarryShone Offline
1000 Post Club Member
LarryShone  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
England
Cmajor, 1-3-5 , is C E G
If the scale went C Em G that would be Cminor

Last edited by LarryShone; 03/29/13 11:13 AM.

If the piano is the King of instruments then I am its loyal servant.
[Linked Image]

My Piano Group
#2056172 - 03/29/13 11:18 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,502
R0B Offline
1000 Post Club Member
R0B  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,502
Australia
The third note of the C Major scale, is E, therefore the C Major chord comprises the 1st,3rd and 5th notes of the scale. (C, E, G)
All major chords follow this formula.


Rob
#2056175 - 03/29/13 11:22 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
LarryShone Offline
1000 Post Club Member
LarryShone  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
England
Yea, try it at the piano, hear the difference.
CMajor (CEG) has a positive, happy sound.
CMinor however (CEbG) has a slightly melancholy sound.
The pic in my avatar is me playing Cmajor

Last edited by LarryShone; 03/29/13 11:35 AM. Reason: oops

If the piano is the King of instruments then I am its loyal servant.
[Linked Image]

My Piano Group
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#2056180 - 03/29/13 11:28 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,055
PianoStudent88 Online content
4000 Post Club Member
PianoStudent88  Online Content
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,055
Maine
The two sites are talking about two different things.

Originally Posted by kent2012
I've read on two different sites different explanations.

http://www.pianoclues.com/2008/01/11/how-to-construct-chords/

says 1-3-5 would = C-E-G

The letters are being used as note names.

Quote
but http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lukivr/KeyChd.html says

1-3-5 would = C-Em-G

The letters are being used as chord names.

Quote
which is it please?

The first site is using the numbers to specify which notes of the scale are included in the chord. So, given notes 1-3-5 of the C major scale, those are C E G, which gives you a C major chord.

The second site is using the numbers to specify which is the starting note of the chord. So, in the C major scale, start on note 1 and build a triad. The notes are C E G. That's a C major chord. Start on note 3 and build a triad. The notes are E G B. That's an E minor chord. Start on note 5 and build a triad. The notes are G B D. That's a G major chord. In shorthand: start on note 1, C. Start on note 3, Em. Start on note 5, G.

The second site points out the pattern for starting on each note of the major scale in turn and building a triad. In the C major scale, you get the chords C Dm Em F G Am Bdim, which gives you the pattern M m m M M m dim corresponding to starting on notes 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 in turn.

Quote
I thought the chord formula for a major chord is M m m M M m o M like the second site says, if so shouldn't C Em G be the right 1-3-5 ?

M m m M M m o M is not the formula for a major chord. It is the pattern for triads built on successive notes of a major scale. Three are major triads, three are minor triads, and one is a diminished triad. The letters M and m refer to the type of CHORD: major or minor.

The formula for a major chord, if you want to use this language, is M m, where the letters stand for the type of THIRD: major or minor. A major triad in root position is a major third and a minor third stacked on top of each other.


Piano Career Academy - Ilinca Vartic teaches the Russian school of piano playing
Musical-U - guidance for increasing musicality
Theta Music Trainer - fun ear training games
#2056198 - 03/29/13 11:52 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 45
kent2012 Offline
Full Member
kent2012  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 45
thank you so much for the quick replies, this place is so helpful I really appreciate it, I'm sorry for the confusion frown

so when someone says that their song is played in the key of say Bminor how do we find out what chord progression was used? or is that just a matter of listening to the piece and figuring it out for yourself?
I'm aware I am nowhere near this level but it's just something that I've always wanted to know from you experienced pros out there.

#2056206 - 03/29/13 11:58 AM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
LarryShone Offline
1000 Post Club Member
LarryShone  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,270
England
Originally Posted by kent2012
thank you so much for the quick replies, this place is so helpful I really appreciate it, I'm sorry for the confusion frown

so when someone says that their song is played in the key of say Bminor how do we find out what chord progression was used? or is that just a matter of listening to the piece and figuring it out for yourself?
I'm aware I am nowhere near this level but it's just something that I've always wanted to know from you experienced pros out there.

Ah now that's beyond my ken, but Im sure there's a chord wheel that, like the colour wheel, shows complimentary chords.


If the piano is the King of instruments then I am its loyal servant.
[Linked Image]

My Piano Group
#2056237 - 03/29/13 01:07 PM Re: C Major Scale Question [Re: kent2012]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 916
jjo Offline
500 Post Club Member
jjo  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 916
Chicago
Kent: Figuring out a chord progression, assuming you don't have the music, is just a matter of listening and piecing it together. However, if you study songs of any style (jazz, blues, pop) for a while, you'll see certain common chord progressions that are used a lot in that style. This makes figuring out a chord progression by listening to a tune easier because you learn to hear the common chord progressions.


Moderated by  BB Player, casinitaly 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad)
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
What pieces to play next?
by Erin Xu. 06/25/17 03:44 PM
Six Emperors
by BruceD. 06/25/17 02:12 PM
KAWAI MP7: RHODES features???
by Nor. 06/25/17 01:09 PM
Question about playing scales
by ybtangq. 06/25/17 12:41 PM
How is Kawai's newest Millennium III action?
by James Guo. 06/25/17 12:22 PM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics180,448
Posts2,638,935
Members88,180
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Check It Out!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0