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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055119
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"I think I'm going to start looking primarily at good Steinway rebuilds in the 5'10 to 6'11 range, and in the price range of $17-25K "

Huh?


Maybe I'm just dreaming....I was thinking of used good Steinway rebuilds?


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055122
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Here is, I am sure, a good Steinway rebuild - when it is ready to go:

http://www.faustharrisonpianos.com/gallery/detail.php?id=2708&view=thumbs

Note the price.



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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055125
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I know that you can buy a great Steinway newly rebuilt for 50-60K from a dealer like Faust. I'm thinking of maybe trying to find a deal in the private market. Perhaps something that's been used for a while after being rebuilt.


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055129
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Originally Posted by pianokeys135
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"I think I'm going to start looking primarily at good Steinway rebuilds in the 5'10 to 6'11 range, and in the price range of $17-25K "

Huh?


Maybe I'm just dreaming....I was thinking of used good Steinway rebuilds?
That size and price range is likely to get you into real trouble in a Steinway. It's a good budget for other pianos and brands or perhaps an older used model M (not rebuilt), but I would adjust my thinking.


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2055176
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
That size and price range is likely to get you into real trouble in a Steinway. It's a good budget for other pianos and brands or perhaps an older used model M (not rebuilt), but I would adjust my thinking.


Indeed - unless you find some very rare bargain, for $17-25K a Steinway 6 foot grand is going to come with some serious problems, and may not even really be that playable.

For $17-25K, you could probably find a recently refurbished, but not completely fresh, pre-1930 high-quality American grand, such as a six foot or longer Chickering, Knabe, Weber, Decker Bros. etc., or possibly a high-quality european brand of similar vintage. If you want one of those that is totally rebuilt fresh just for you, you're usually looking at $30k minimum.

For instance, if I were you, I'd go for something like

* this Chickering 7' grand: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/msg/3680175688.html ... yum!

* this Knabe 6' grand: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/3693459316.html ... not bad

* this Knabe 6' grand: http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/3702662921.html ... cheaper, but would need some work

* this Bechstein 6' grand: http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/msg/3697534359.html ... would need some work

Obviously you will want it inspected by a trained professional piano tech before you buy...

Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: fishbulb] #2055262
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unless you find some very rare bargain


Yes, please. laugh

Look, any piano I buy privately I would have inspected by a good independent technician. Even if I buy from a dealer, I'm inclined to do that.

I do occasionally enjoy looking for trouble though. shocked



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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: fishbulb] #2055314
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**** Comments edited by moderator**** Ed, you are advertising again...

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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055374
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Pianokeys,

A rebuild is not going to be possible at that price, but an original instrument that is maybe 30ish years old with some replaced parts is possible.

But I am in an area where there is not much of a market and I paid cash so I got a steal of a deal on a Steinway B. I will need a new repetition in 3-5 years and new strings in maybe 10 years.

For now I am in heaven. Deliriously happy would be an understatement!

PM me please if you wish for details. I think that if you are willing to travel you might find exactly what you are looking for.

Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055402
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I always thought they said that you can do anything if you put your mind to it !!!

I guess they were liars cry


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2055441
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Sorry Rickster but the post I responded to had an add for a piano in the Seattle area of the same model I have so....it is hard not to see why I can't mention mine.

It is not like I am posting a thread with my inventory-I wouldn't think that proper.


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055451
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By the way, Ed, you should have your industry affiliation in a signature on all your posts. Read the message to industry professionals in this area.


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055583
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Originally Posted by pianokeys135
I always thought they said that you can do anything if you put your mind to it !!!

I guess they were liars cry


You can do [almost] anything if you put your mind to it. But, in a lot of cases, putting your mind to it means earning and/or saving enough money to do the thing you want to do. Let's do a car analogy!

Imagine if I said, "I want to buy a nice older Rolls-Royce, but I've only got $10,000."

Well, I could buy an old, broke-down, beat-up, and ugly Rolls for that.

I could also hunt around for years until I finally found a too-good-to-be-true (probably stolen) Rolls for $10,000 and try not to get murdered in the process of buying it.

Or I could work for a few more years, keep driving my Hyundai, and save up another $10,000 and get a nice older Rolls for $20,000.

Or I could find a very nice BMW, Mercedes, or Jaguar of the same age instead, right now, for $10,000, and accept the fact that a Rolls is just more than I can afford.

Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2055897
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Yes. yes. yes. There is this little thing called reality... I try to ignore that thing.


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Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: Steve Cohen] #2056024
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Originally Posted by Steve Cohen
The are a plethora of used Steinway and Yamaha pianos on the market at all times. This "over-supply" pushes prices lower. So buying a new S&S or Yammy might not be as good a "rate of return" than that others.


Plethora seems to be the right word. Selling your own piano will almost always result in taking a bleeding.

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Best to buy new from a distressed dealer with his back against the wall willing to sell at close to or under invoice price (as opposed to those feigning distress with faux clearance and going out of business sales).

Re: Pianos that Hold Their Value the Best [Re: pianokeys135] #2056063
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When I went piano shopping last year, I also visited the local Steinway dealer in my home town in Germany. They had an M which was about 30-40 years old (if my memory is correct) and was sold for about 26,000 € (about 34.000 US $). It had great sound and key action; but the pedal action had room for improvement.

The website currently lists a Steinway A from 1908 for 24.500 € (about 32.000 US $) in "Good state". I don't know if it would have to be rebuilt.
Point is: A used Steinway M, O or A for about 30k-35k is not that rare. But if I had to buy anything Steinway in that price range, I'd rather buy a new Boston. Kawai knows how to make pianos.


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There are high-quality bargains to be had in the used market for American-made Baldwins. This is how I got mine, for a good deal less than your current budget. There was no Steinway in that price range that came anywhere near, for reasons people have talked about.

The Baldwins tend to be undervalued because of the company's recent problems, but they can be wonderful instruments (always subject to inspection by a good tech, of course). I would think the value would hold up well because of the depressed prices and high quality. Or, you might even find a piano you like well enough to keep long term and forget about resale.


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