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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: ando] #2051355
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Originally Posted by ando
And the extra piece of gear to make it happen... More crap to deal with on a stage.

I imagine you could velcro the box to the PX-5 itself. (I'm not trying to convince you here, I'm just suggesting how people with those same concerns might be able to make it work.)

Originally Posted by ando
This whole workaround thing suggests it is important but they just stuffed up by not including it.

Well, it suggests that it is important to the people who asked about it. And from a cup-half-empty-vs.-half-full perspective, the answer was either going to be, "no" or "no but you can add it." ;-)

Originally Posted by ando
Most of the musicians I know have pretty bad technical skills and would struggle with the solutions you outlined in the posts above

The physical hookup is nothing... but yes, the other part can seem complicated to those who have never used a sequencer program on a computer.

Originally Posted by ando
Also, if you have to buy a MIDI solutions box for $150+, that's not just chump change.

Currently $120 at Sweetwater, but you also have to add $35 for the DP10 pedal, so, yeah.

But would you still be unhappy of the keyboard were $1149 instead of $999 and the feature were included? Arguably that would still be a good value, no? BTW, for comparison, if you want to add this same function to a Nord Stage 2, you have to buy their $259 pedal unit. And even on the Casio PX-350, you have to buy a $75 pedal unit which is really designed to attach to their $100 stand. (Though admittedly, in those instances, the prices include the cost of three pedals. Still, if all you want to add is this feature, that's still what you have to spend.)

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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: anotherscott] #2051392
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
(A 26 line description of making the MIDI box/pedal set up work)


See. This is why I keep saying someone should just build an all-in-one MIDI pedal. And (because of the power issues) preferably MIDI over USB. Plug in your one single USB wire from your way-less-than-$160 pedal into your DP and you're done. Easy setup. Much less expensive. Potentially could be made programmable and daisy-chainable for multiple pedals.

It's hard to believe that I mentioned this idea over a week ago and it's still not available in the market. Come on people, is capitalism dead or do I just have an over-inflated sense of self importance? (No answer required.)

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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: anotherscott] #2051397
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Scott, I surrender! You make perfectly reasonable points. I just struggle to believe they could leave it out in the first place. But they did, so that's the way it goes. I'm happy to move on.

Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: Tom Fine] #2051420
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Originally Posted by Tom Fine
Originally Posted by anotherscott
(A 26 line description of making the MIDI box/pedal set up work)


See. This is why I keep saying someone should just build an all-in-one MIDI pedal. And (because of the power issues) preferably MIDI over USB. Plug in your one single USB wire from your way-less-than-$160 pedal into your DP and you're done.

I agree, that device would be better! But to be fair, my description was as long as it was because I explained things in detail. Really, it comes down just a few lines:

Send two lines of sysex commands from your computer sequencer to the box:
F0 00 00 50 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 F7
F0 00 00 50 16 01 00 40 00 00 7F F7
Then connect the MIDI jacks of the box to the MIDI jacks of the piano. Plug the DP10 into the box.


...and I'm not even sure the first sysex line is necessary.

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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: ando] #2051672
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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: Rhodie73] #2055027
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Currently the Casio is € 929 and I can order a MIDI Pedal Controller box for € 131. DP10 I already have, so that would be € 1060 for a new PX5S (when available) with continuous control pedal and still < 12kg. Very tempting to order blindly - but.....

...will the PX live up to it's hype ? We've heard a lot of E-piano demo's so far, but not so much of the AP version that is on the PX5 in it's full glory and what about the other sounds. Is there also a new organ , or organ simulation ? How about the additional sounds - same as on PX3 , or a whole new set as well ?? Still so much unknown and now way (yet) to try the Casio. Price is very attractive right now nevertheless...

I think it's still ugly and the keybed is OK , but not Kawai RHII / Roland PHIII quality , but at this low weight, with good features and sounds and for such a low overall price...mmm

Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: Rhodie73] #2055095
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Community buzz, price, rich toolset, and company support (hi, Mike) won me over after months of analyzing the choices, and the weight/size numbers are a huge win since I have such tight packaging constraints on the boat that ruled out other tempting (and known) alternatives. My biggest hesitation before I threw the switch on a pre-order was wanting to hear more AP demos... but I went ahead, and am now very eager to get my hands on the new axe. I'll report!

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Re: Half Pedaling with Privia Pro PX5s [Re: Rhodie73] #2055123
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OK , regardless if I decide to give the PX5 a try , or not - I have a wish list for the PX6 (?) with some features that would truly make this board unbeatable; even if that comes at just al little higher price:

Big winners:
- half damping pedal (input) ; I know , no surprise there.
- expression pedal input; really , what we're they thinking , it's so standard on a controller board.
- aftertouch ; that would really set this board apart from ALL the competition. It would be the ONLY board in this price , quality and weight range that features this. It could IMHO be a big extra selling point and draw even people away from the big workstations.

Smaller additions:
- an extra third, assignable pedal input ; nice for switching program's or other useful stuff when you have you hands full
- bigger display and/or...
- iPad remote app to control and program the PX5 /6

Small bit wishful extra:
- simple music stand. Doesn't have to be too fancy, but a simple stand to put some music papers or notes would be welcome.

Personal request;
- uhm ...redesign of the colors and such to give it a bit more classy and professional look. Keep the idea of non-black for readability in stage light, but a bit less toy like wouldn't hurt. Sorry, still hurts, despite the fact that I'm even tempted to buy it anyway ;-)

And , the last idea - for next year a new basic AP piano sample set. The current version is longer than the last one , but still drawn from the same original recorded sample base as the previous PX series. An additional HQ fresh AP sample set would help raise the bar even higher for the competition.


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