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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050192 03/18/13 11:22 AM
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good idea, the headphones !
For the tons of voices of the CN34, i'm not interested...

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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: MagicK] #2050269 03/18/13 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MagicK
An excel list will only help you to limit the amount of pianos to test. But can't help for choosing. It is a simple matter of personal needs and what your gut tells you.
Far from it, in a decision calculation You just comprise your personal needs and what your gut tells very effectively. The process of filling in a decision table enforces You to think about the manyfold aspects and not let deceive yourself and may save you from the consequenses of a purchuse out of impuls.

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050305 03/18/13 03:34 PM
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But isn't music all about impulse and emotions? I had a list too, and the cn34 fulfilled all requirements but what if it hadn't felt right?

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050307 03/18/13 03:37 PM
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If you are inexperienced with pianos, you may not be best equipped to decide what is best for you or whether or not your intuitions are accurate. Just because something feels nicer or easy to play now, does not mean that it will be best for your progress or easier to play once your technique has improved.

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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: debrucey] #2050316 03/18/13 03:55 PM
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So ? I think it's true, but how can I do ? Exept listen advices?

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050320 03/18/13 04:02 PM
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Exactly, listen to advice.

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050764 03/19/13 11:19 AM
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So I went in my shop today.
I try with headphones the CN34 and the CA65, and also a Roland HP505.
I try with the poor music I can do, but for me there is a big difference and for me the CA65 give the best sensation.
After sommebody play the same music on three, and it's the same report.

I think i'm going to buy the CA65, but there is two price :
2220€ without headphones, but with a good chair.
2270€ with a heaphones prodipe pro 580
In both cases, the piano is delivered gone up and tested.

Is this headphone good ?

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2050786 03/19/13 12:04 PM
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Never heard of these. A quick search suggests they are pretty standard circumaural headphones.

I would pick a pair from the Sennheiser stable but then again, I'm the one listening to FLAC instead of mid-rate MP3, which is what most of my friends settle for quite happily.

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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: doume] #2050796 03/19/13 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by doume
So I went in my shop today.
I try with headphones the CN34 and the CA65, and also a Roland HP505.
I try with the poor music I can do, but for me there is a big difference and for me the CA65 give the best sensation.
After sommebody play the same music on three, and it's the same report.

I think i'm going to buy the CA65, but there is two price :
2220€ without headphones, but with a good chair.
2270€ with a heaphones prodipe pro 580
In both cases, the piano is delivered gone up and tested.

Is this headphone good ?


Well, I googled those headphones and the reviews were bad.



Don

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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051003 03/19/13 05:29 PM
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Yes i have seen that the reviews were bad.
It's for that reason than I want without headphones.
What do you think about this one : Grado SR-60i

doumé

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: doume] #2051067 03/19/13 09:30 PM
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Well, again ... the reviews tell the story.

This time, the reviews seem good.



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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051146 03/20/13 02:15 AM
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I have tried the SR-60 and SR-80 in the past and have always found them grossly uncomfortable to wear for any period of time. I much prefer the around the ear (circumaural) design on Senns like the 558/598. That goes for the sound too.

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: doume] #2051209 03/20/13 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by doume
Yes i have seen that the reviews were bad.
It's for that reason than I want without headphones.
What do you think about this one : Grado SR-60i

doumé


Maybe you could look for the measurements of some models in a site like goldenears.com, for instance. From my experience, Kawai DPs with PHI sound don't sound well if the headphones' response is not flat enough. You should avoid specially those which rise mids and highs, or it will sound ringy as heck.


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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051488 03/20/13 05:37 PM
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Thank's a lot

I think I'm going to buy :
CA65+chair+HD558 : 2350€ ( 4 x 587,5€) with a 2 years warranty, delivered and tested
For the french people : Heitz in Lyon

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Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051500 03/20/13 06:16 PM
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Is the chair adjustable?

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: debrucey] #2051512 03/20/13 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by debrucey
Is the chair adjustable?


Good question, I don't have idea what an idiot invented the fixed chair for pianos, or for selling with pianos in packages.

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051519 03/20/13 06:58 PM
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I have encountered so many new students with bad posture because they have a fixed stool at home

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051532 03/20/13 07:20 PM
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This is what I was reffering to smile

I see a lot of people playing on some chairs which are completely not suitable for them. And the worst thing - when I tell sometimes - you should have (or your children) different (in most cases higher) bench - everybody tells me - no, it's ok, I'm fine with it / I don't need / we play only 0,5 hour a day etc.

It makes me so sad, that people don't care about their comfort and good posture of playing frown
The same with their piano condition - with not so much money they could have something much better.

Ech, dreams frown

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051733 03/21/13 04:02 AM
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Hey

Yes the chair is a adjustable chair with a worm ( is it the good translation for endless screw ?)
If I buy only the chair, the cost is 120€ and, but it's not so important, it's the same color (( black satin).

This forum is a very good idea and people are so nice and efficient...

Re: CN34 vs CA65 [Re: ilovespud] #2051735 03/21/13 04:20 AM
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As for the Grados, yes, they're pretty good, entry-level headphones for audiophiles -- see review; that site is my trusted source of information on all things headphones.

As for the chair, you really should go with an adjustable chair, perhaps with a storage space for notes and other things.

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