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#1712096 - 07/12/11 05:24 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: PianoZac]  
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Zachary, when do you accept delivery?



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#1712101 - 07/12/11 05:42 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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Zachary, that is indeed a great combination!

Best of luck with your new DP!

Cheers,
James
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#1712168 - 07/12/11 07:42 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
Originally Posted by Pawelekg
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Belger, the action on the N1 is the same as the N3. What was the issue with the cabinet on the N1?

The N1 cabinetry sucks. It's basically big (deep). I guess they made it big to keep people buy the N2.


Huh?? The cabinet sucks because it's big? It has to be as big and deep as it is to support the full size grand piano action and speaker system. I'm not following your logic here.

The N1 is deeper then the N2:
N1 is 618mm, N2 is 531mm
while typical Clavinova is 513mm.
I can see no reason for the N1 being deeper then N2.
If you have to fit in a flat, every couple of milimeters make a difference.

#1712238 - 07/12/11 10:02 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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Kawai CS9 demonstration video (in German):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94EwilocW4

No comments about the ring please.

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#1712339 - 07/13/11 12:13 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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The ring goes nicely with the shirt! I just had to James...

Good review. I understood about an eighth of what he was saying and the piano sounds nice!


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#1712346 - 07/13/11 12:33 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
Well, yet another perk of the AvantGrands is the ability to use them to connect to a computer and run software. I'm already planning on hooking the N1 up to my NP88 and using the pianos. the N1's outstanding action combined with the Nord Piano Library's samples ought to be one killer combo.


Well, that is pretty much any DP (I'm saying pretty much because I just KNOW someone will find an obscure DP with no MIDI out). But I agree.... N1 with Nord samples sounds like a stellar combo!

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Kawai CS9 demonstration video (in German):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94EwilocW4


Kawai America needs to bring this to the US cry

Last edited by azandj; 07/13/11 12:36 AM.

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#1712379 - 07/13/11 01:47 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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I prefer spending 2000 more to get the N1 and the grand piano action which is really worth it, rather then going for the CS9. But the CS9 is a nice instrument smile


#1712398 - 07/13/11 02:52 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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Belger1900, the CS9 is listed on the Thomann.de site at 3699 Euros. Assuming the N1 quotation of 6000 Euros in Ozan's initial post is accurate, that's still quote a jump in price (2300 Euros).

While they are undoubtedly both excellent instruments, I believe the CS9 and N1 will occupy rather different sections of the premium DP market.

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James
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#1712526 - 07/13/11 10:14 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Pawelekg]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Zachary, when do you accept delivery?


Two weeks. I'm selling my 27" iMac since I never use for recording, and using that to put money down on it. I could go buy it today (well fincance it entirely), but since we aren't outright buying it, we'd rather be patient and finance several thousand less. I've spent about 5 hours playing the N1 through 2 separate trips and have become well acquainted with the lady who is selling the N1 to me. She has it on hold for me. Very excited! I played the N3 as well Dave, and for all intents and purposes, that is a grand piano. It plays and sound better than most pianos below a C2. I wasn't a believer of the AvantGrands until I played them. They're perfect for someone in my shoes-need the grand piano action for technique, don't have the space or money to buy what I'd like, and ability to practice silently.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
Zachary, that is indeed a great combination!

Best of luck with your new DP!

Cheers,
James
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Thanks James! I have to say though, the samples inside the AvantGrands sound amazing themselves. BTW, that CS9 is gorgeous and really nice sounding DP.

Originally Posted by Pawelekg
Originally Posted by ZacharyForbes
Originally Posted by Pawelekg
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Belger, the action on the N1 is the same as the N3. What was the issue with the cabinet on the N1?

The N1 cabinetry sucks. It's basically big (deep). I guess they made it big to keep people buy the N2.


Huh?? The cabinet sucks because it's big? It has to be as big and deep as it is to support the full size grand piano action and speaker system. I'm not following your logic here.

The N1 is deeper then the N2:
N1 is 618mm, N2 is 531mm
while typical Clavinova is 513mm.
I can see no reason for the N1 being deeper then N2.
If you have to fit in a flat, every couple of milimeters make a difference.


I didn't know about the cabinet differences, and I agree, when living in small apartments/flats, every inch matters...I know since my wife and I live in a relatively small apartment. Although, the cabinet itself is a very nice looking cabinet if you ask me. I like the whole coffin look!

Last edited by ZacharyForbes; 07/13/11 10:18 AM.

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#1712576 - 07/13/11 12:01 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: PianoZac]  
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Hi Zachary, congrats on getting the AG ! I think that's a smart move until you can get a grand.

Like I think I mentioned before, I wasn't able to afford my first grand piano till I was 32 in '85. These things have gone up so much, I paid for a new C7 what you'll probably pay for that AG.. cry

I would have preferred practicing on the AG to what I used to put 4-5 hours a day on six days a week, for 6 years, before I was able to swing the C7

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#1713135 - 07/14/11 10:13 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Hi Zachary, congrats on getting the AG ! I think that's a smart move until you can get a grand.

Like I think I mentioned before, I wasn't able to afford my first grand piano till I was 32 in '85. These things have gone up so much, I paid for a new C7 what you'll probably pay for that AG.. cry

I would have preferred practicing on the AG to what I used to put 4-5 hours a day on six days a week, for 6 years, before I was able to swing the C7

http://www.kohlerandcampbell.com/km247.html


Hey Dave,

Yeah, you know I've gone back and forth with things I thought I'd be getting, things I thought would work, I've played uprights, baby grands, mid sized grands, and for my criteria which includes the following:

- Grand Piano Action
- Silent Practice Ability
- Limited Space Constraints

...the AvantGrand N1/N2 are the only pianos that fit the bill. I recently finished up my Associates Degree and had been entirely undecided about what to finish up a 4 year degree in, then possibly Master's Degree from there, and I decided that Piano Performance/Composition would be my direction. I knew immediately I need something for my technique, and the N1 is perfect. Lately I've been putting in 5 hours a day of practice-3 hours of classical 2 hours of jazz. It's amazing how quickly things start happening when you're spending just that much time of concentrated practice. The N1 is going to be my 'piano' for several years to get me through school and then some.

Yet another perk of the AvantGrand is that if i get tired of the internal sounds, I can hook it right up to my laptop or Nord Piano/Electro and run other sounds more to my liking. The N1 is a win win for me. Btw Dave, the C7 is probably overall, my favorite piano I've played on, perhaps very closely followed by the RX-7 Blak. I absolutely love the sound of the C7.


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#1816396 - 01/01/12 12:05 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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I wonder if the CS9 will be made available to the US market. I traded in CP179 when I moved up to a Lowery Sterling (also made by Kawai) but I would really like to get an acousitc like piano such as the CS9 and not the CA93 due to the finish of course. The CP179 had great sound and key action but the rythmns were for the most part not what I needed. I really liked playing a K3 but just don't want the tuning bother, and the lack of being able to play silently at times is also a big issue.


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#1816614 - 01/01/12 07:54 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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Rich, I do not believe Kawai America has any plans to introduce the CS9 into the North American market, despite the CS6 proving popular with consumers.

However, this may change if enough people register their interest by contacting the company directly.

Kind regards,
James
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#1816733 - 01/01/12 11:07 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Thanks James for the insight. I deal with one of the largest Kawai / Lowrey dealers in the states, Lacefield Music. I will make sure they bring this up at the NAMM. This will be a hot topic for Kawai reps if I'm right in my observations of how long the CS6 stays on the sales floor. Most often they have a very short stay, more like a short rest from the delivery truck to a customers home.


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#1816795 - 01/02/12 01:28 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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James, do you know if the CS6 has that panel cover that hides the computer-y parts on next to the keyboard?

#1816799 - 01/02/12 01:38 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Ozan]  
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BrokenChord, no, I'm afraid not.

As explained in this brochure, the fold-down control panel cover is a CS9-only feature:

Originally Posted by CS Series brochure

Concealed Control Panel
The control panel for each Classic Series instrument is discreetly embedded within the piano’s left cheek block, with the flagship CS9 model also featuring a folding cover. This helps to preserve the instruments’ acoustic piano-like appearance, and allows performers to enjoy the simple pleasure of playing music – without the distraction of flashing lights and rows of buttons.


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#1816816 - 01/02/12 02:10 AM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Thanks, I did not notice that on the Kawai website, doh! I am still considering the CS6, anyway. I want that RM3 Action!

Thanks for answering smile

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#2050310 - 03/18/13 03:42 PM Re: Yamaha N1 / Kawai CA93 / CS9 [Re: Pawelekg]  
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Originally Posted by Pawelekg

The N1 is deeper then the N2:
N1 is 618mm, N2 is 531mm
while typical Clavinova is 513mm.
I can see no reason for the N1 being deeper then N2.
If you have to fit in a flat, every couple of milimeters make a difference.


A speaker system depends on the speakers, the amplifiers, the crossovers, AND THE CABINET. The internal volume and shape of the cabinet affect response and must be designed in tandem with the layout of the speakers and orientation to the listener.

The N2 cabinet is taller (a portion goes all the way to the floor), and has a completely different set of speakers and amplifiers, which have different requirements. The total air volume inside is larger than the N2 because of the cavities extending downwards.

The N1 cabinet is deeper to add a little extra volume inside the cabinet, without making it too much taller - and without complicating the design/structure.

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