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I wonder sometimes if people who have no interest in playing acoustic pianos might be better off just looking for and buying a DP whose sound and action they like, rather than one that seems closest to that of an acoustic piano, with its over-resonant muddy sound (especially as soon as you put your foot on the pedal) due to too much soundboard and cross-resonances, graded keyweight and 'notchy' key action due to the escapement mechanism. The latter two are purely artifacts of the mechanical nature of an acoustic piano. Reading through many posts from DP users, it appears that many people want clear, clean, bright sound from their DPs, which isn't what you get from acoustics. @bennevis, I do agree with what you say here, as digital pianos offer a lot to the player in their own right, as comparisons to acoustics do not have to be made if you happen to like the digital that you have tried, or, want to buy. Also, the escapement (or, let-off) feature is not that important either if you want a nice and smooth weighted action without the click/notch simulation. Many digitals (like my lowly Kawai EP3) play just fine, without it.
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Well, this is the dp AND KEYBOARDS forum.
There used to be a movement of people learning keyboard instead of piano ( just like there was a movement before that of people learning home organs ). Here we seem to get mostly people wanting a piano substitute on the cheap, a silent practice instrument or a gigging instrument.
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You mean Big-Time Romantic Era Piano Concertos?
The secret is playing them one bar at a time, slowly. Absolutely... until you can master the piece, 10 years later.
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Escapement is vital to sensitive playing of classical music, if that is your background.
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Escapement is vital to sensitive playing of classical music, if that is your background. I agree, but it isn't most people's background here. I always find it very odd that Clavinovas don't have the escapement 'notch' feel, yet (apparently) they're used as practice instruments in many music colleges, including the RCM and RAM.
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I always find it very odd that Clavinovas don't have the escapement 'notch' feel, yet (apparently) it's used as a practice instrument in many music colleges, including the RCM and RAM. However, the older (now obsolete) CLP-990 does have the escapement simulation, although this is a digital I am looking for now (in my other post) although I am afraid it is going to be quite difficult to find one, since it dates from 2001. Here is a video that demonstrates the escapement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D62G49_RwsGo to the 55 and 1:10 second marks.
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It also gives the user the ability to customize several parameters to his liking, ... Most of those parameters are adjustable from -100 to +100, so there's a huge range to fine-tune to the sound and response you want. Not impressive until they provide -110 to +110. The volume control is probably only 0-10 instead of 0-11 too! The volume control dial has very fine stepped notches. I counted to 111 before I nodded off...... Hmm, I wonder if you didn't get my joke, or if I don't get yours ....?
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The Clavinovas in RNCM are all quite old and were probably not the best of their range when they were bought either. I can't speak for RCM and RAM.
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My Yamaha PSR 225 has a pretty nice piano sound  Ok its old but so am I, and I cant have a piano at the moment...
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I didn't know about such a resemblance, but at the end I'll have to pay heavy royalties to her for this...
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Thank you so much for your replies. The quest to fulfill one's desire and need is
endless. I'm sure without an iota of doubt this topic will help someone realise their need. Bearing in mind as we all strive for perfection, nothing on this planet is perfect.
I'm considering purchasing one between the following shortlist of DP's, Roland V-Piano, Yamaha CLP 480/470 and CP1 due to my budget. Can't afford the following Yamaha N1-3 as I heard they're good range of DPs.
"Kudos to all the sheep amongst the wolves and to the Platos of this forum."
I'm open to your advice.
Regards,
Amos
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