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#2043112 - 03/05/13 12:46 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Maximillyan]  
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Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Originally Posted by Weiyan

Its surprise that my piano need to raise more than I expect to charge the pin.

Hi,Weiyan.I like yours unisons but if your piano so let your tones in one night-day, probably pins does not have enough friction between wood and a metal . Why is it so fast run from the tone?
Do not hide a puppy, it was very worried


Thank you. I don't have a puppy. May be I can't comprehend the humor. Sorry.


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J.S.Bach Prelude in C Min: No. 2 from Six Preludes fur Anfanger auf dem
Am Abend No. 2 from Stimmungsbilder, Op. 88
60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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#2043158 - 03/05/13 03:49 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Maximillyan]  
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Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Originally Posted by Weiyan

Its surprise that my piano need to raise more than I expect to charge the pin.

Hi,Weiyan.I like yours unisons but if your piano so let your tones in one night-day, probably pins does not have enough friction between wood and a metal . Why is it so fast run from the tone?
Do not hide a puppy, it was very worried


Has it crossed your mind that Weiyan may be deliberately de-tuning and re-tuning unisons, in order to practise?


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#2043172 - 03/05/13 04:15 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Weiyan]  
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Originally Posted by Weiyan
Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Originally Posted by Weiyan

Its surprise that my piano need to raise more than I expect to charge the pin.

Hi,Weiyan.I like yours unisons but if your piano so let your tones in one night-day, probably pins does not have enough friction between wood and a metal . Why is it so fast run from the tone?
Do not hide a puppy, it was very worried


Thank you. I don't have a puppy. May be I can't comprehend the humor. Sorry.

May be I'd hear street dog's bark by . Sorry.

#2043179 - 03/05/13 04:26 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Mark R.]  
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Originally Posted by Mark R.
Originally Posted by Maximillyan
Originally Posted by Weiyan

Its surprise that my piano need to raise more than I expect to charge the pin.

Hi,Weiyan.I like yours unisons but if your piano so let your tones in one night-day, probably pins does not have enough friction between wood and a metal . Why is it so fast run from the tone?
Do not hide a puppy, it was very worried


Has it crossed your mind that Weiyan may be deliberately de-tuning and re-tuning unisons, in order to practise?

Sorry I didn't understood that this is a training piano. It is incorrect act: In begin loose the string and pulling back the string again.

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#2043181 - 03/05/13 04:36 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Mark Davis]  
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I am practicing unison tuning.

There are many street dogs around my house. I am in rural area keeping dogs are allowed. If you follow my posts, you will hear birds and insects sing one or two months later.


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J.S.Bach Prelude in C Min: No. 2 from Six Preludes fur Anfanger auf dem
Am Abend No. 2 from Stimmungsbilder, Op. 88
60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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#2043185 - 03/05/13 04:54 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Weiyan]  
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Originally Posted by Weiyan
I am practicing unison tuning.

There are many street dogs around my house. I am in rural area keeping dogs are allowed.

Of course, we will listen to your unisons. I am personally looking for something in them for yourself useful, because so far I can not do them properly. However, what I heard howling puppy and moving cockroach clearly indicates my attention and interest when watching your movie. These natural sounds attach the process little charm. It's involuntarily transferred this clip to the category of educational film art

#2043190 - 03/05/13 05:03 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Weiyan]  
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Originally Posted by Weiyan
McMorro's all tuning is unison is enlightenment. I tried to tune the octave and two 4th 5th intervals.

Good octave 4 and 5. For me

#2043198 - 03/05/13 05:26 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Mark Davis]  
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Octaves are really difficuly to tune withoput any check.

May be it is just experience, but I recall having alesson with a Master tuner when I was beginning to learn.

He made me tune octaves only, and did not test them by 3d 10th, or whatever interval, only by luminosity .

4th and 5th tells me more about the octave than 3d and 10 th , today



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#2043200 - 03/05/13 05:39 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Weiyan]  
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#2043204 - 03/05/13 05:59 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Mark Davis]  
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Not bad Weyan but the most important move is when RAISING the note, not when going backward.



You move the tuning lever a little too fast yet, it is too fast to feel the springiness of the pin precisely.

You seem to listen sooner in the tone, but you can listen a little sooner, and avoid listening tho the filtered beat until the last controls.


Why ? because the way the tone grows at its beginning show how it will behave later


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#2052306 - 03/22/13 07:19 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Mark Davis]  
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Pitch dropping. Don't know why the piano go too high. The whether is warmer the pitch should drop.

It needs uncharge the pin until it lower than target pitch, then charge. If just uncharge little then charge the pin, it seems not hold the pitch. F#3 and G#3 is is troublesome. Today only need to touch F#2 after the tuning session. grin

Took 18 minutes to tune F3 to C5.


Last edited by Weiyan; 03/22/13 07:21 AM.

Working on:\

J.S.Bach Prelude in C Min: No. 2 from Six Preludes fur Anfanger auf dem
Am Abend No. 2 from Stimmungsbilder, Op. 88
60s Swing No. 1 from Swinging Rhythms
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#2052314 - 03/22/13 07:37 AM Re: Unison Tuning [Re: Weiyan]  
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Originally Posted by Weiyan
Pitch dropping. Don't know why the piano go too high. The whether is warmer the pitch should drop.

It needs uncharge the pin until it lower than target pitch, then charge. If just uncharge little then charge the pin, it seems not hold the pitch. F#3 and G#3 is is troublesome. Today only need to touch F#2 after the tuning session. grin

Took 18 minutes to tune F3 to C5.



Warmer weather goes usually with more humidity, hence pitch raising.

It raise because you tune from above, also,

the real tuning is done when you raise, the rest is stabilisation and touch up.

Last edited by Olek; 03/22/13 07:40 AM.

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