Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Piano Tuning
How to Tune Pianos
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Schumann's 4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Who's Online Now
64 registered members (Agent88, ascc, andyhuang, AprilE, ando, 14 invisible), 1,789 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2038446 - 02/24/13 02:34 PM Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's?  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Hi, I'm upgrading my 11-year-old daughter's piano. We currently have a free piano from Craig's list. She really enjoys playing piano and has won every competition her piano teacher put her in, so I think it's time to get a baby grand for her. The piano teacher wanted us to buy an Yamaha if possible.

My original plan was to wait for the local piano sale in mid March, but saw an Yamaha GC-1 for sale on Craig's list. It is manufactured in 2006 and the asking price is $8,500. We need to pay for the delivery and tuning.

Is it a fair price? The owner has an appraisal from a local piano store with the value of close to $10,000.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot!


Kbee
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2038448 - 02/24/13 02:37 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Silverwood Pianos  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Vancouver B. C. Canada
I would recommend spending a couple of hundred to have your own piano technician or another piano technician who is familiar with your local market, complete a comprehensive appraisal on the instrument, the appraisal document from the store notwithstanding.

There are lots of good used pianos in the marketplace and some of them would be Yamaha.

The name or make of the instrument is not the important part.


Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."
#2038458 - 02/24/13 02:51 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks for the reply, Dan. Her appraisal also includes a technician's evaluation on the piano. It was done by the largest piano store in our area. I'll have them move the piano if we decided to get it. That's why I didn't think of getting another technician to look at it.

We've checked the piano in person (no expert though). It's in beautiful shape and well taken care of. She is the original owner.







Kbee
#2038463 - 02/24/13 03:04 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Unfortunately our small town has a very limited marketplace of pianos. You either buy it from local music stores or get it from Craig's list. The ones on CL are usually older models, i.e. G1 from Yamaha.


Kbee
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#2038466 - 02/24/13 03:09 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Silverwood Pianos  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Vancouver B. C. Canada
Originally Posted by Kbee
Her appraisal also includes a technician's evaluation on the piano.


Does this technician do work for the store? A conflict there if that is the case.


Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."
#2038468 - 02/24/13 03:17 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Sorry maybe I'm not being clear. The piano owner paid to have the evaluation/appraisal done by the local store. The store does not own the piano.


Kbee
#2038470 - 02/24/13 03:22 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
The piano's serial number is #6039694, just thought I should mention it.

Thanks smile



Kbee
#2038478 - 02/24/13 03:41 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,406
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
BDB  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 25,406
Oakland
The chances are that there is nothing wrong with the piano. The price will depend on the local market. You probably should judge it on the basis of what the local store would want for a new one, and decide on a fair percentage of that.


Semipro Tech
#2038483 - 02/24/13 03:48 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Hi Kbee - Welcome to Piano World!

Did the "evaluation/appraisal" include a mechanical inspection by the store. I'm assuming (trusting) that it was done by a qualified technician. You might be able to obtain further info on the piano from the person who inspected it.

Going by the 2006-07 pricing "Supplement" to the "Piano Book" by Larry Fine, the price when the piano was new would be ~$17,000. That gives you another piece of info.

I'm not familiar with that particular model, so I'll leave it to others to comment on the asking price. With any sale, it is always worth some negotiation.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2038598 - 02/24/13 06:46 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Supply Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Supply  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
If the store which did the appraisal originally sold the piano to the current owner (seller), it could be fairly safe to assume that the value is skewed toward the high side. Short entry level baby grands are not known for very good tone. In the end, you have to buy the piano you like and like the piano you buy.

#2038660 - 02/24/13 08:56 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks for all the replies!! I checked with the owner, she said she paid $13,000~$14,000 for the new piano in 2007.

Yes, the appraisal was done by the store she bought the piano from. Actually, there is only one piano store (a few branches though) in our area frown

My house is not that big so not sure if a larger piano will fit in it. My searches leads me to this wonderful forum and that's how I learned about GC-1.





Kbee
#2038667 - 02/24/13 09:15 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 558
Guapo Gabacho Offline
500 Post Club Member
Guapo Gabacho  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 558
Rio Grande Valley of Texas
Kbee,
You can take anything a piano dealer says to the bank, but it must be their bank.

Treat buying a piano the same way you would a used car, just with more suspicion.

#2038679 - 02/24/13 09:35 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks, that's great advice. I really should bring my own technician to look at it, shouldn't I?

Feel so inadequate in my knowledge about buying a used piano, but my budget is not big enough for a new one. Don't have trained ears either.

Never gotten a used car, because I know I'd be like a lamb in the butcher shop.

Thank goodness I found this forum.





Kbee
#2038754 - 02/25/13 01:23 AM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 187
miscrms Offline
Full Member
miscrms  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 187
Phoenix, AZ
As I think you've gathered, on a purchase of this size it only makes sense to get an independent opinion. That's not to say the owner's/store's appraisal might not be right on, but why chance it?

As far as increasing your confidence in feeling educated in your purchase, many have recommended Larry Fine's "Piano Book" and his pianobuyer.com website. The print book has many good articles on general piano topics, and the website has updated information available for free including a good overview of buying a used piano.

Your local library might have the "Piano Book", or if you buy it from Amazon using the link from this page I believe the PW forum gets some financial benefit from the purchase.
http://www.pianoworld.com/pianobooks.htm

Good luck!
Rob

#2039727 - 02/26/13 05:24 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Kbee Offline
Junior Member
Kbee  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks Rob. I'll be reading Piano Book. It's a new world to explore. I've talked to a technician as well.

The piano owner is quite firm on the price. Is it a fair asking price?


Kbee
#2039734 - 02/26/13 05:34 PM Re: Upgrading from an old free piano to a baby grand, Q's? [Re: Kbee]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 292
Steven Y. A. Offline
Full Member
Steven Y. A.  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 292
Toronto
GC-1 is an exccelent choice. there are equvailent choices, too. but a slightly used grand like this is the bang for the buck.


PLEYEL P124

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Ritmuller Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Delete Account
by Cobrun Sells. 10/17/17 02:13 AM
Two Masters!
by DavidWB. 10/17/17 01:10 AM
LA area tech for digital Kawai?
by Joe Garfield. 10/17/17 12:19 AM
New Baldwin Pianos
by Mickey24. 10/16/17 07:24 PM
Time signature Question
by NuggetSC. 10/16/17 06:58 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics182,334
Posts2,665,097
Members88,982
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0