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Forrest

No doubt behind the 8 ball here.

I think you should change your password immediately...

I don't really see how this phrase applies but okay.

Having spoken with a couple of people close to me who thought that this was true, it is my belief that the people who have the most difficulty understanding that a person can actually have a sexual orientation that they would not have chosen are people who have felt attracted to both sexes, perhaps with a brief attraction to someone of the same sex, and been able to overcome the attraction to the same sex. I think it is easier for completely straight people to understand that someone can be gay than for some bisexual-to-some-degree people who feel that they have been able to make a choice, and so believe that everyone else can, too.

Millions of men and women live as straight or gay people, but that is quite different from attaction. That is why women can be hurt or men can be hurt. The woman marries a guy who lives as a straight man and dates women and marries a women and usually by 40 he realizes he wants to be who really is, so he tells his wife he has always been attracted to men and thought he could live as a straight man but now he wants a divorce and wants to live as a gay man. Those women are pretty upset being dumped by a husband and having kids and now at 40 they have to adjust to the new father/husband and sort of start over. Were they lied to? Religion can influence their decisions and sometimes play a small role in some cases. So you can believe what you want to believe about choice.

Ok...

While we're at it, here's a question for you (hpyothetical scenario of course):

If my wife dumbed me for another woman, I'd feel fine. I would not feel threatened in any way, because I'd know that it was impossible to fight the competition. I'd lose with dignity knowing that I did nothing wrong. She just prefers women.

My friends (both genders) say that they would feel devastated in such a case.

How do you feel about this?

The active word is 'honesty'. If a woman has always been attracted to women but decides to marry a guy because she likes him, does she have to mention to the guy that she has always been attracted to women - how specific does she have to be to her husband to be?

The reality is that people marry for sex, money, love, power, position, status, immigration, to have children, etc.

This happened to my uncle, actually; it devastated him by some fairly large degree. I personally don't really understand it (I feel similarly to you, I mean, um, if you love someone and can't offer them all of their needs, shouldn't you be happy to find someone who could?)...

If his wife was a lesbian all along then she should have married a woman in the first place instead of leading your uncle along all these years.

How do you know she was leading his uncle? For all we know she could've been confused all along... Or realized her lesbian side later in life.

Haha well yes she should have, but there are many social and psychological factors in todays world why she might not have done that.

It amazes me to see how many people think that issues raised in this thread are simplistically black or white!

Regards,

Oh no, not racism now?

That was not funny.

No - it's not funny. And Bruce's original point was well taken.

It amazes me also how many people seem incapable of seeing, comprehending and appreciating the "grey" in life. Either they can't wrap their brains around complex issues, or in an effort to make sense of the world they conveniently (and simplistically) choose to put issues (and groups of people) in little boxes. Of course, this has been the case throughout history. You'd think we'd learn.

Very well said, carey, and thanks for that.

Otherwise, I tend to find FSO's posts a bit opaque and rather unpenetrable. I think I get where he is coming from, and if indeed he is anti-science, then he is certainly in US Republican territory.

Hmm...maybe I wasn't clear...ho hum, no harm done Carey...I assume you find Immanuel Kant over-simplifies things which his poor little head can't get to grips with?

But of course !!
To be fair, however, at least he gave it his best shot.

Problem solved.