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Piano Friends,

If I'm not mistaken it's less than two weeks until the Paris Competition for this year will take place. And no thread about it on PW? Well, I searched and could not find one.

Like last year, I'm not participating. But nevertheless I would be very interested to hear some "insider" smile stories about it from participants before and during the competition.

So I wonder, like in previous years, will there be some participation from PW members? What are you guys playing?! Everyone well prepared?? laugh To all those who are now in their final preparation stage: best of luck, and most importantly: Have fun!

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I'm not going either, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of our active members are since it doesn't seem like anybody has said anything. I'll also be interested to hear news about it from anyone who can share.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
I'm not going either, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of our active members are since it doesn't seem like anybody has said anything. I'll also be interested to hear news about it from anyone who can share.


Wow, so if none of the participants would hang out in piano forum, they must all be practising diligently.

Scary thought! shocked laugh

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I know Fuzzy 8 Balls (??) is going.


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I know Fuzzy 8 Balls (??) is going.


Thanks, musica! I hope Gorden (hopefully joined by some other participants) will share some of his experiences with us like in the previous year (or was it already the year before that? I lost track...)

In any case, my bet is he'll be a likely candidate for the finals...if not more.

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....(or was it already the year before that? I lost track...)

I did too. ha

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In any case, my bet is he'll be a likely candidate for the finals...if not more.

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For those of us who are relative newcomers, could someone please provide some information about this competition?

More generally, I'm not sure what an "amateur" piano competition is and what types of players enter one.

I'm guessing that these are very, very skilled players, but where and how is the line between "amateur" and "unrecognized professional" drawn?

I'm not nearly far enough into my 10,000-hour-until-mastery program to consider entering, but I wonder what types of musicians do.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
but I wonder what types of musicians do.


All members in this thread including me and fuzzy.

A brief search will take you to past competitions and discussion about amateurism.

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Yep I'm going... and I've prepared only 30 minutes of repertoire this time.

Beethoven Piano Sonata Op. 14 No. 1
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I'm going to skip the Paris this year.

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Originally Posted by Damon
I'm going to skip the Paris this year.

.....but we expect to see you at the CHOPIN in a couple of years. ha

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Damon
I'm going to skip the Paris this year.

.....but we expect to see you at the CHOPIN in a couple of years. ha


Ok so I guess there will be a big PW reunion in Warsaw (in 2015 I think?). Count me in! smile

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Damon
I'm going to skip the Paris this year.

.....but we expect to see you at the CHOPIN in a couple of years. ha


If they have a sub-amateur Liszt competition in Missouri, I'll consider entering. I don't travel well.

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Originally Posted by Damon
If they have a sub-amateur Liszt competition in Missouri, I'll consider entering. I don't travel well.

No, I said CHOPIN! grin

BTW I think you'd have to be in the super-sub-amateur division....

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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
For those of us who are relative newcomers, could someone please provide some information about this competition?

More generally, I'm not sure what an "amateur" piano competition is and what types of players enter one.

I'm guessing that these are very, very skilled players, but where and how is the line between "amateur" and "unrecognized professional" drawn?....

Hey folks, why shouldn't we give him more of an answer right here....

Your guess about the level of the players is right, although there's a fair range within any given event and from one event to another. To be admitted to some of them, like the Cliburn, you have to be real good. How good is that? Let's say, good enough that it wouldn't be insane to think of becoming a professional. I mean, it would be insane for most of us to actually do it ha but....you get the idea. For some of the competitions, it's OK to give it a try if you're at least what I'd call upper-level-intermediate.

Some of the people in these events are really at a professional or near-professional level, and some of them have advanced degrees in piano and in some cases have actually been professionals in the past, which of course raises legitimate questions about whether they're really amateurs. The people who win are usually from that highest group.

For anyone wondering if they're ready to enter one of these events, more important than how far you are above "upper intermediate" is that your pieces should be extremely well-prepared and that you be very comfortable with them. The repertoire requirements are very flexible. Basically you can play whatever you want.

Maybe we'll be seeing you at some of the events!

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Originally Posted by Mark_C

BTW I think you'd have to be in the super-sub-amateur division....


That wasn't very nice.

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BTW I think you'd have to be in the super-sub-amateur division....
That wasn't very nice.

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(I trust that you knew what I meant!) smile

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by ClsscLib
For those of us who are relative newcomers, could someone please provide some information about this competition?

More generally, I'm not sure what an "amateur" piano competition is and what types of players enter one.

I'm guessing that these are very, very skilled players, but where and how is the line between "amateur" and "unrecognized professional" drawn?....

Hey folks, why shouldn't we give him more of an answer right here....

Your guess about the level of the players is right, although there's a fair range within any given event and from one event to another. To be admitted to some of them, like the Cliburn, you have to be real good. How good is that? Let's say, good enough that it wouldn't be insane to think of becoming a professional. I mean, it would be insane for most of us to actually do it ha but....you get the idea. For some of the competitions, it's OK to give it a try if you're at least what I'd call upper-level-intermediate. Some of the people in these events are really at a professional or near-professional level, and some of them have advanced degrees in piano and in some cases have actually been professionals in the past, which of course raises legitimate questions about whether they're really amateurs. The people who win are usually from that highest group.

For anyone wondering if they're ready to enter one of these events, more important than how far you are above "upper intermediate" is that your pieces should be extremely well-prepared and that you be very comfortable with them. The repertoire requirements are very flexible. Basically you can play whatever you want.

Maybe we'll be seeing you at some of the events!


Thanks, Mark -- very informative explanation.

If you indeed see me at one of these competitions, it's likely to be in the audience, but that's okay too. I'd love to watch some of you folks play!


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I seriously considered to sign on for the "Pianobridge" competition in St.Petersburg (Russia) this summer. The reason was that I was offered early retirement from my employer, and would have ample time to practice.

This competition has separate classes for participants with or without a diploma, and this was one of the reasons why this competition sounded interesting for me (holding no diploma).

I managed, however, to find a new full time job, and therefore I decided to skip the competition. I would have invested some 500 hours preparing and this is out of question now. Maybe 5 - 10 years.

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For the final on Sunday 24th it seems there's only one ticket price of €25; that's obviously planning for a very high standard or a very long concert...
Anyway if anyone going is wondering what to do on the Saturday evening before, I've got a new Oboe Sonata that'll be premiered in a recital at Cité des Arts, a central venue (short walk from Notre Dame).

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