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#2017353 - 01/19/13 04:26 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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I'll make a start on op 53 no 1 then.Leave the slot open though in case anyone else wants to have a go at one of the less difficult pieces, I've had two goes already.If nobody claims the piece I should still have time to get it up to speed.

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#2020217 - 01/24/13 10:27 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Need some help here please. I've pretty much achieved 53#4 under my fingers. It looked easier than it played with my less than flexible fingers.

It says adagio. It is in 9/8 time. If I set the metronome at 3 beats so that I'm hearing a beat at every eighth note HOW FAST should I set the metronome? I'm assuming that it is adagio to the quarter note but it could be adagio to the dotted quarter note too I guess. I'd like it to be reflective not too fast and certainly not a dirge.


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#2020239 - 01/24/13 11:12 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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I haven't studied the piece, but a quick run through one handed style has me playing at about eighth note = 100.That feels right to me.Up to 110 sounds fine, beyond that sounds hurried to me.
Edit.An eighth note is a quaver, is that right?So here we have nine eighth notes to the bar?

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#2020240 - 01/24/13 11:18 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]  
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About eighth note = 100 should get you started, then you can speed up. But the ultimate tempo depends on how it sounds to you - listening to your own playing is key.

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Need some help here please. I've pretty much achieved 53#4 under my fingers. It looked easier than it played with my less than flexible fingers.

It says adagio. It is in 9/8 time. If I set the metronome at 3 beats so that I'm hearing a beat at every eighth note HOW FAST should I set the metronome? I'm assuming that it is adagio to the quarter note but it could be adagio to the dotted quarter note too I guess. I'd like it to be reflective not too fast and certainly not a dirge.

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#2020267 - 01/24/13 12:08 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Just had a look on the awesome Spotify and as far as I can tell the pros play it at between 2.08 and 3.00 with most in the 2.20 to 2.40 range.My maths isn't great but I think eighth note = 100 would be 2.42 and = 110 would be about 2.27.
The fastest and slowest versions sound wrong to me so I'd say between 100 and 115 would be about right assuming my maths is correct.

#2020286 - 01/24/13 12:41 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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If it's in 9/8, wouldn't you set your beat to be dotted quarter, not eighth note?


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#2020344 - 01/24/13 02:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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There's a youtube recording of Urska Babic (3m 05) that's faster than my recording of Ilse von Alpenheim (3m 24).

A greater tone can facilitate a slower performance. My ABRSM score recommends quaver = 104.

Dotted quarters would be under 40 bpm. That's too slow for keeping to a metronome without a lot of practise.



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#2020427 - 01/24/13 03:52 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Nice to see you guys are getting on with your pieces smile

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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - musicusblau
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - EmilioAlvarezCid
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major -
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Alan Chan

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

#2020955 - 01/25/13 08:18 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Thank you all for the suggestions on tempo for 53#4. 100 to the quarter/quaver FEELS good to me as far as the sentiment of the piece. Not sure I'll get there. I'm at about 84 now and working on musical expression.


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#2021283 - 01/25/13 06:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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I see there are only six pieces left. Great job Wayne!

#2021597 - 01/26/13 12:11 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Thnx Recaredo, this is for sure the hardest recital EVER lol wink How you going with yours?

Who's idea was this? Ha ha smile

#2021785 - 01/26/13 06:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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It should be possible to find some young talented person wanting to do the "Spinnerlied", Op 67/4. This is one of the most famous SWWs, and it would be a pity if it wasn't performed by anyone.

In fact there are at least two of the remaining pieces that are not awfully difficult. Op 102/5 should be within range for many of the participants. And then we have Op. 67/6 which is a beautiful piece. I can't say much about the remaining ones, but I think they are rather hard, at least when played at full tempo.

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I continue playing my piece slowly. My hands seem to be more relaxed now, although I still feel some wrist tension. A lot of work for only three minutes of music! smile

#2021965 - 01/27/13 03:31 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]  
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"It is in 9/8 time."

Would it not be easier having the metronome at 3/4 time and altering the speed accordingly?


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I've reached an important (I think) milestone with Op 102 No 1. I now have the entire piece memorized with only some brief hesitation in one area leading up to the coda. This is a relief as I can now begin enjoying the piece more and work on pedal, expression, tempo etc etc.

I agree, Racaredo about being a lot of work for 3 minutes of music. It has taken me 40 days of practice to get to this point and of course, it is no where near being suitable for presentation just yet.

This has indeed been the most challenging project I've ever taken on. But it is going a long way in improving other areas of my playing in general and my reading ability. I am very happy to be participating.



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Congrats Greener, sounds like you're getting on well. I'm on the verge of having mine memorised, but have got a rediculous way to go as playabilty is concerned, lol. But it will be worth it, think, we get to beable to play our pieces, forever, at will smile

#2023428 - 01/29/13 01:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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I've been a little lazy with 102 3 as I let a couple of parts trip me up initially. I'm finally starting to get into this piece. Here's to hoping it will be up to presto!

Recaredo, that piece took me a while, too. Soon it will just click, I promise!

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My piece 53#4 is starting to run in my head so I know it's being absorbed. Somehow though I never quite trust "memorized" or playing with no music in front of me. At the same time I know it well enough to read several measures ahead and know what's coming. It is musical enough to please my husband but no where near ready to record for PW. I'm finding measures with little challenges and working on them. The 3rd and 4th measures continue to have gremlins. It's a very intense and emotional piece. I've had three dear friends just diagnosed with various forms of cancer which hurts the soul for sure. This piece captures some of that reflection on life and our frailties.


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#2024678 - 01/31/13 03:38 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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Sounds like it's gonna be an emotional piece Wisebuff, I'm looking forward to hearing it smile

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An update from me:

This evening I’ve tried to speed up my playing, but I make many mistakes and the piece sounds like a sort of military march! Obviously I’ll have to slow down again.

You know, Mendelssohn is Mendelssohn and I’m an absolute beginner grin.


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Keep at it folks, we will get there smile

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When is the recording to be in by? Does it have to show the piano/performer or will a Youtube type presentation do?


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Whenever you are ready Peterws, I'm at least a month away before any attempt at recording. And your video is entirely up to you, what ever you want, let your imagination run wild wink

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How are things going for folk? smile

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I have already made some test recordings. Just sound, no video. But there is a chance that I may borrow equipment to make a video with good sound quality as well. It all depends on how much time I'm going to have for recording.

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There's loadsa time Ganddalf, sounds like you are well ahead, good going friend smile

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How far are other participants? It would be good to hear wink

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I've been aiming at the end of March for some time, Wayne. 62/3 is running to schedule.

62/1 will be a little (lots) behind the tempo because of M26-33 but all good otherwise. Bags of expression but you might need a good memory to appreciate it! smile





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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
How far are other participants? It would be good to hear wink


One of mine is as ready as it is going to get - just not recorded yet. That process is like pulling teeth...

The second one is almost under my fingers - it's a real finger-twister.

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My pieces are far from recordable. frown Guess I should have only taken on one piece not two. My hope is to be able to play as opposed to stumble through each. (So, not expecting to play them 'well' as that would be aiming too high given the time-line). One problem will be the red dot. it is one thing for me to play through without recording, but with the red dot, I will have to know the piece even better just to be able to play. I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to pull it off.


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