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#2030994 - 02/11/13 09:57 AM Advice for a new piano  
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Hi all,
I am new to the forum.
I am looking for a second hand upright piano.
Currently I have some options and would like your advice:
1. A very old (probably 1890) Bluthner. I think the serial number is 31250. I played it and it sound great. Was tuned several months ago. Cosmetically it doesn't look so great I have to say.
The price is 1400$
2. A 1964 (so the seller says - I still don't have the number as I haven't tried the piano yet) Feurich. It was played until several months ago buy his mother who passed away. It looks in a very good condition from the pictures. The price is 3200$
3. A 30 years old YAMAHA U3 (probably made in Japan). Cosmetically very good, but wasn't played by anyone for a year.
I haven't tried it yet. The price is 2500$

There are also some other options that I prefer less -
1. An 80 years old IBACH for 1000$
2. Old GEYER (no other info) for 1600$ wasn't used for years but cosmetically very good.
3. An old PETROF, I tried this one also (later can give the serial number) but didn't like the fell or sound of it.

Please advise smile
Thanks,
Zeev

P.S.
I live in Israel

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#2030998 - 02/11/13 10:09 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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At this age (and range of ages), you first need to play each piano. One (or more?) will stand out as the one you could most live with, and is within your budget. You then need to have it inspected by a good technician to ascertain if the piano is in good condition technically, or what repairs/service are needed to be done to the piano - and an indicative cost for that work.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-15)).
#2031017 - 02/11/13 10:28 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: backto_study_piano]  
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Thanks for your reply.
Of course I am planning to try them all, and finally expected by a technician.
What I am asking, are those listed options something to consider, even before trying out? Or do I need to look for something else?
(All the Russians pianos I didn't consider from beginning)
Do the prices make some sense? And maybe some hunch (let's say all sound good) what to go for.

#2031081 - 02/11/13 12:35 PM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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In your position I'd try the Feurich (and even the Ibach) they are quite interesting brands. I've seen some rather good ones of similar age(s), but of course all depends on their state and history, so....

Edit: An 1890's Bluethner may be a very nice instrument but I'd be worried a little about its longevity. One of my instruments is an approx. 100 year old Pfeiffer (small but excellent brand), and age really begins to show.

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#2031641 - 02/12/13 05:51 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: maurus]  
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Is it better to buy a new piano at this range price (adding some extra money)?

#2031650 - 02/12/13 06:47 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: maurus]  
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My favorite piano of all, and the one I bought, is the Yamaha Disklavier .
It has the best Recording capabilities as it records both the keys and the pedals, and is the only system installed by the manufacturer.
It also has the best Silent feature that comes with headphones so that the piano can be played and recorded without anyone hearing it, and the new models can play/record the piano along with CD recordings of your favorite vocalists.
The vocal tracks on the audio CDs are also the genuine, original artist's recordings, not a special rendition.


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#2031669 - 02/12/13 07:57 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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Go with the 30 year old Yamaha


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#2031688 - 02/12/13 08:32 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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Generally, I'd try to find something a bit newer unless it was completely refurbished recently.


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#2034858 - 02/17/13 05:50 PM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: Morodiene]  
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What about ROLEX KR33 piano? I was told it's made in Japan.
Is it a good piano?

#2035010 - 02/17/13 10:53 PM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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The Ibach and the Bluthner are the kind of pianos that someone would buy as a secondary instrument, a piano hobbyist or a technician who dabbles in refurbishing and resale. I don't think they are good bets as an everyday instrument.

The Geyer wouldn't even be appealing to that crowd.

This is just one opinion, but if I were in your shoes I'd follow up on the Yanaha U3 and the Feurich. The Yamaha is probably the safer bet, but the Feurich sounds intriguing if it's really been in a family and had light use. Either of these would need an independent inspection which you would pay out of pocket to make sure you're not buying a dead horse. An inspection usually costs around $100, so it's not something you want to do unless you've picked your favorite and want to confirm that it should be your favorite.. The U3 is very attractively priced if it is in good condition. The Feurich price is not as attractive, but a family with no use for a piano is often very flexible about price.

The Roland KR-33 is a bulky heavy digital piano that requires a stand. I think it came on the market around 10 years ago. It's not obsolete, but it is dated. A digital is a whole other ballgame. A contemporary digital with the quality and features of the KR-33 would cost under $1k new.


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#2035144 - 02/18/13 08:56 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: turandot]  
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Thanks for the advice.
I meant Rolex, not Roland. I am not interested in Digital piano. If you search youtube for 'Rolex KR-33' you can see some testing videos but all in Japanese, so I was wondering if anyone here have heard about it.

#2035184 - 02/18/13 10:55 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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Originally Posted by szeevs
Thanks for the advice.
I meant Rolex, not Roland. I am not interested in Digital piano. If you search youtube for 'Rolex KR-33' you can see some testing videos but all in Japanese, so I was wondering if anyone here have heard about it.


Sorry, I had no idea. Maybe Roland was trading off the success of the Rolex KR-33 when it introduced its own. grin

The best I could do was this link which placed it as a Higasinihon Piano brand [most likely Higashi Nihon] (defunct company).

http://www.pianoclub.gr.jp/other%20Japanese%20pianos.html

I found some chat room chatter that it had been made by Young Chang (Korean). That seems doubtful. Nothing conclusive though.

The name would be a fit with some of the other Japanese piano fallboard names borrowed from prestige Western entities around thirty years ago.


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#2035786 - 02/19/13 12:00 PM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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The piano is not an instrument for "long life" but most of us don't have the ear for it.
Why not go after the one that sounds and feels best to u?

I am also Israeli but now in San Diego. Good luck.

#2625133 - 03/19/17 11:30 AM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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I think too late to talk about the Rolex piano's information but maybe someone need it.
Rolex is a Japanese piano brand made by Higashi Nihon company. They used Renner Action, Royal George hammer felt, Roslau wire and all Rolex model used Nickel Plated turning pins. Model KR33 made in 1980's.


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#2625182 - 03/19/17 04:26 PM Re: Advice for a new piano [Re: szeevs]  
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Perhaps in the intervening 4 years + the OP has bought a piano. I wonder which one.

My head would say Yamaha, but my heart would say Bl├╝thner and spend a bit of money on it.


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