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GEM RP90 successful repair #2027301
02/05/13 08:07 AM
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Hello all

This is my first post here, so I'll introduce myself.
I'm Michael, from Poland, Europe, turned 44 this year... adult beginner, I think smile
Somehow I always wanted a piano to learn & play but never got to buy one, actually.

But some weeks ago I was browsing online local ads and found a "digital piano" for 50$.
At first I thought that it must be only some cheap keyboard but it turned out to be a full size GEM RP90, big, black and broken. Battery leak.
As I learned later, it was a common failure in Generalmusic products - leaked battery caused failure of CPU board.
I bought it almost for fun, a big paperweight.
Maybe to salvage the keybed in some hobby project.
But I thought "I have to dust off my electronics knowledge and check this board first"...

Power on caused only a row of grey bars on the LCD and lit a set of 8 LEDs.
Like the CPU hanged in the middle of startup.
I examined the board - some traces around the battery were slightly eaten by the electrolyte, also some connections between traces and SMD IC pins.
Removed the battery (it looked new, apparently someone already tried to repair the piano).
In meantime learned to solder and unsolder SMD elements using some unconventional homemade tools smile

Turns out, the RP90's mainboard (and probably other RP's by GEM, and some GEM-made Baldwin Pianovelle too) is powered by Hitachi H8/3003 micro-controller with a Flash EEPROM and 2 static RAM chips. The sound is generated by the GEM proprietary DSP chip with wave ROM and DAC chip.
The PCB has place probably for second DSP (bigger polyphony models?) and additional wave memory.
And to my surprise, the keybed has it's own uC communicating over some sort of serial connection (maybe something like MIDI, but inside the instrument).
Keybed, as expected, from Fatar.
Maybe I'll post some pictures later.

The most damaged area was near the battery connectors - RAM and Flash IC connections.
I unsoldered the 3 ICs , checked and cleaned the board. One trace was broken and needed repair.
Flash was intact, with all the program inside. There's hope.
Soldered everything back - still doesn't work.
Then I thought, maybe the RAM was short-circuited by the battery leak...
I ordered two new RAM chips (~4$ total), yesterday night replaced them, today put the board back inside the piano and switched it on.

When the GEM lighted up the LCD and displayed * REALPIANO * RP90 I was very happy smile

Checked the keys, played the demos, everything works now.
Probably I'll put a coin lithium battery for RAM data retention.
Now I have to clean my GEM and make some minor mechanical repairs.

And to learn piano, at last. I hope smile


PS. English is not my mother tongue, so forgive me any errors.


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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027307
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Hi Michael,

My congratulations and best wishes for your new piano experience, and also my respect for such a corageous electronic engineering feat.

Now it's time to have some fun laugh

Ciao,
Paolo


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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027308
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Nice story. We also love to see nekid pictures.

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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027346
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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027354
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That's the way to do it.... Very well done!


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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027593
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[Linked Image]

Here's photo of the CPU board during the repair.
Top right corner is the area damaged by the battery leak.
Battery is already removed, and the two nearest ICs (flash and one of the RAM chips) unsoldered from the board. Traces to flash were the most corroded, but the IC survived.
RAM, on the other hand, was damaged.

Left side - sound generator (RAM, DAC, GEM DSP), mid-top - wave memory.
Right side - CPU, memory, logic gates and data buffers.
And some sort of service connector - data and address bus going to memory ICs.
Bottom - connectors to the other internal equipment.
From left - audio, power, pedal board, front panel, keybed (serial), MIDI.

Thank You for the comments.
More photos later smile


Michael / GEM RP90 / SX-P50
Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027616
02/05/13 07:19 PM
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Truly impressive stuff!

Congrats again on the repair!

James
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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027617
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+5 for any DIY fixes!

Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2027679
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woooo... not an easy task but you made it!!!

Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2035147
02/18/13 09:16 AM
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Hi. Thanks again smile
I was on vacation, so the reply is a little late.
As promised, some photos of the inside.

The IC's soldered back in place - original flash ROM with repaired traces, and two new RAM chips on the left.
Battery so far not needed, maybe I'll add it later.

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Cover removed - You can see the two speaker's cabinets and the electronic boards in the middle
Green "digital" main board on the left, main "analog" board in the middle (power supply, power amplifier) and the audio/MIDI in/out board on the back side of the piano.
The wide ribbon cable is for the front panel (main LCD, buttons and LEDs).
The keybed controller is under the keybed on the left side and is not visible here.

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Fatar keybed TP 20/21

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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2035315
02/18/13 03:54 PM
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Nice work, weldone!

Originally Posted by Kumi_27
In meantime learned to solder and unsolder SMD elements using some unconventional homemade tools smile

I'd be curios to see the tool!

Originally Posted by Kumi_27
And to my surprise, the keybed has it's own uC communicating over some sort of serial connection.

Some kind of multiplexing IC?


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Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Qbert] #2035641
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Originally Posted by Qbert
I'd be curios to see the tool!

Well, for soldering I used some common low voltage soldering iron with adjustable power, nothing special. Only had to file the tip.
But for the desoldering...
This is the main part of the ultimate SMD IC desoldering station - 75W GU10 halogen lamp grin

[Linked Image]

Plus the socket & cable, pair of tweezers and DIY stand from an insulated bent wire to place the lamp ~10-15mm above the PCB.
I used a liquid flux, too. And, of course, sunglasses grin
Got the idea from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkO71G4wvo4
But You don't really need the temperature sensor.
I just used the flux, switched on the lamp, watched the IC and tried to pick it with tweezers.
Depending of the IC size and thickness, after 45s~1m20s the chip was up, nice and clean.


Originally Posted by Qbert
Some kind of multiplexing IC?

No, there are too little wires, must be another CPU. I traced most IO pins of the Hitachi H8 on the board.
Multiplexing is used for the front panel, ~16 IO pins are connected there via the wide ribbon cable.
But the H8 has two serial ports.
One pair of Tx/Rx pins is used for MIDI communication, and the other pair is going to the keybed controller so there must be another CPU capable of serial communication, scanning the key contacts and calculating the velocity.
The connector has only 6 pins, one is ground, two for Tx/Rx signals, one logical pin (maybe enable signal or something) and remaining two are shorted by the 10R resistor.
I will probably disassemble the piano for cleaning so then I'll check the keybed.


Michael / GEM RP90 / SX-P50
Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2035662
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I'd guess that the CPU is connected via either a SPI or I2C serial connection to the main controller. It's simple, offers enough bandwidth to transfer all of the key and velocity info on time and there is hardware support in nearly every microcontroller

Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Kumi_27] #2035836
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Interesting coincidence. Two weeks ago, I bought a GEM RealPiano2, used of course. It plays, but the led has dead pixels. Your keyboard looks similar. Was it fairly simple to open yours and have the view that you show in your first picture?

(I've been hesitated over opening mine to see if the repair might be simple. The last keyboard I opened, an Ensoniq, had several layers of small boards and connections above the main board, and each had to be removed just to fully expose the main board. Had to remove about 20 screws, some hard to find and reach. Great sounds in the Ensoniq, but complicated to work on.)

Re: GEM RP90 successful repair [Re: Nigeth] #2035851
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Originally Posted by Nigeth
I'd guess that the CPU is connected via either a SPI or I2C serial connection to the main controller.

This H8/3003 CPU has no integrated SPI nor I2C, only 2 serial ports with sync/async mode.
SPI should use 4 wires - here's only 3. For I2C the pull-up resistors are not here.
Really, to me this looks just like MIDI but using TTL levels instead of current signal. Maybe it's faster, too.
But without logic analyzer I can't tell for sure.

Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Was it fairly simple to open yours and have the view that you show in your first picture?

Congrats for Your GEM smile
Opening of this one is really simple. The top cover has only 4 screws on the back and then You have to slide it a bit forward to release two "locks" on both sides (just 2 another screws, which are going into some keyhole shaped cuts) and some others on the back.
Then the cover can be lifted up and that's all.
I removed also the sliding keyboard lid - just unscrewed another two screws (they limit the lid movement).
Front panel is still in place but it's just another set of few screws.

But if the LCD has dead pixels then I'm afraid the only way is to replace the display.
This is probably some generic 2x16 LCD display with integrated controller, You just have to find a compatible model.


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Fascinating Michael! Thanks for sharing! Awesome desoldering hint.

Added this thread to the nekid pichures collection.

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Originally Posted by Kumi_27
Originally Posted by Nigeth
I'd guess that the CPU is connected via either a SPI or I2C serial connection to the main controller.

This H8/3003 CPU has no integrated SPI nor I2C, only 2 serial ports with sync/async mode.
SPI should use 4 wires - here's only 3. For I2C the pull-up resistors are not here.
Really, to me this looks just like MIDI but using TTL levels instead of current signal. Maybe it's faster, too.
But without logic analyzer I can't tell for sure.

Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Was it fairly simple to open yours and have the view that you show in your first picture?

Congrats for Your GEM smile
Opening of this one is really simple. The top cover has only 4 screws on the back and then You have to slide it a bit forward to release two "locks" on both sides (just 2 another screws, which are going into some keyhole shaped cuts) and some others on the back.
Then the cover can be lifted up and that's all.
I removed also the sliding keyboard lid - just unscrewed another two screws (they limit the lid movement).
Front panel is still in place but it's just another set of few screws.

But if the LCD has dead pixels then I'm afraid the only way is to replace the display.
This is probably some generic 2x16 LCD display with integrated controller, You just have to find a compatible model.



Thanks. I'm still working up my courage to dive into it. Mine appears to be a bit harder to get into, with all of the screws on the bottom and under the end-caps. I want to do a thorough inspection and cleaning, and see if I can repair two keys on the far right that were broken. My vague hope is that I can find a compatible lcd display on a visit to Radio Shack, but I dimly suspect that I may be spending more time looking at electronics catalogs than I can plan for right now. I'll post some pictures once I have it open. I'm interested in learning if our interiors are more or less the same, but with simply different code burned into the chips.

How is the sound of your GEM RP90? I'm finding the RP2 to be lively, and it has a slider that by default controls the velocity response. Very nice to have--I can play chords with one hand and move the slider with the other until the sound is right for specific pieces, which also makes it very good for controlling software pianos. Each note can be tuned separately, too, using the same slider. The one problem is that I have to watch out for long sustains. The modelled sounds are great on the attack and a fairly long decay, but once they eventually die, I hear what sounds like an old fashioned, very well-looped sample.

All in all, I'll echo the popular sentiment--I wish GEM had survived as a digital piano maker. I rarely hear of the organs they now sell in the US. A more specialized clientele, I imagine. More than once I've wanted to write them to ask that they re-enter the market or pair with Modartt to create the next step in the evolution.

You may be far ahead of me in searching for additional information. But just in case you are starting to do further research, are you familiar with the GEM threads on the Keyboard Player forum at http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/18/1/The_Keyboard_Corner ? David McMahan. who was once the head of US marketing and apparently support for GEM still writes there. You must register to search the site, and specify the range of years to search in, but the results may be of interest.

Finally, although the main GEM site is more or less dead, I've run across some subsites that they still keep open for downloading old manuals and some tech references:

http://www.generalmusic.us/Manuals/

And: http://www.generalmusic.us/GEMFiles/Upgrade/GemOS/Oldproducts/

However, there is disappointment lurking in that last site and the folders that can be reached by moving up in the directory structure. Most of the service manuals require a password. I wrote GEM to request one, but haven't heard back...

Looking forward to hearing more about your instrument and what you make of it when you have time.

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Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
My vague hope is that I can find a compatible lcd display on a visit to Radio Shack, but I dimly suspect that I may be spending more time looking at electronics catalogs than I can plan for right now. I'll post some pictures once I have it open. I'm interested in learning if our interiors are more or less the same, but with simply different code burned into the chips.

I suspect, that GEM didn't used anything fancier and it will be some generic 2x16 display with Hitachi HD44780 compatible LCD controller. Lots of replacements are available. Even with different colours smile

Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
How is the sound of your GEM RP90? I'm finding the RP2 to be lively, and it has a slider that by default controls the velocity response.

Well, don't have much to compare with but simply said, I like it.
Controls are somehow limited and slider is for volume only, but there are additional options for adjust the touch sensitivity (3 steps), brilliance, tuning, piano frame size etc. via buttons and menus.

Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
You may be far ahead of me in searching for additional information. But just in case you are starting to do further research, are you familiar with the GEM threads on the Keyboard Player forum at http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/18/1/The_Keyboard_Corner ? [...]

Thank You very much for the links, they're new to me, as well as the most of the piano stuff, I started just as I bought my GEM.
I found the old manual folder before, but the other links are also very interesting.
For example, I found the self-test sequence and figured out the firmware number.
Maybe I can make a serial MIDI cable for my DP, there are some schematics in the service section.
However I don't think anyone would reply to the password request...

I found also some general informations in the Web Archive - http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.generalmusic.com/

Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Looking forward to hearing more about your instrument and what you make of it when you have time.

I have to clean it inside and repair the lid.
But for now my GEM is quite ok and I can play it. Now I just should learn to play... smile


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Originally Posted by Kumi_27
Maybe I can make a serial MIDI cable for my DP, there are some schematics in the service section.
However I don't think anyone would reply to the password request...


The best midi solution I've found with my GEM is my M-Audio Uno cable, which has midi in and out cables connected to a usb plug. No need for the MUMBO software or any configuration. The midi cables go into the keyboard, the usb cable goes into the computer, and it works instantly. (No need for an old-fashioned midi card in the computer or anything else.)

Thanks for the links. Looks as though there is more to learn...

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As for the LCD - better check the model in Your piano first.
Hitachi is very common but I'm not 100% sure GEM uses that.

Probably I'll buy some USB-MIDI cable.
But GEM has "To-Host" interface, which is basically a RS-232 (serial) connection, found also in instruments from other manufacturers (like Yamaha).
You install the serial MIDI driver, connects only one cable and it works as well smile




Michael / GEM RP90 / SX-P50
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