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davinwv #2023618 01/29/13 08:15 PM
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I tried to test Pianoteq, but there's enough randomness in the peak amplitude from note to note (even feeding it identical velocities for consecutive notes) to make it impossible for me to determine whether it's interpolating or not, using the simplistic method of inspecting the peak of the waveform. (I did increase the dynamic range to max, but it's not enough to bring out any trend)

I used a velocity curve that mapped velocity 0 to 63, and velocity 127 to 64.

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I rolled up my sleeves and averaged the peak amplitude for 10 strikes at each velocity, and VOILA - I can see that Pianoteq is indeed interpolating the velocity curve. ;^) There is a tiny 0.5dB difference between an input velocity of 1 and 127, when mapped to 63 and 64 respectively, with intermediate velocities producing averages within that 0.5dB range, in a consistent and expected way. (the velocity curve is a straight line between 0,63 and 127,64)

Please resume your normal VPC1 programming. ;^)

Greg.

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Originally Posted by sullivang
Please resume your normal VPC1 programming. ;^)


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James...
Latest status on the website? Will it go live tomorrow? And to confirm... is it kawaivpc.com?
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HisKidd, the website is in final testing.

My colleagues here in Japan and overseas requested some minor alterations, however I hope these will be finalised today.

Yes, the current url is correct. wink

Thank you for your continued patience.

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That's a pitty. frown
It means that we will never see a VPC II with GF keyboard.

Right. It also probably means Kawai will not be producing a GF replacement for the MP10.

Would have liked to see a VPC or MP10 II with GF as well. The good news is that since a GF version probably not is in near sight, no need to worry whether it was premature of me to order the VPC :-)

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Originally Posted by Hideki Matsui
Saw Muse last night.


Lucky guy!

They put on a pretty good show, don't they? wink

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Glad to see Matt Bellamy is still using a Kawai onstage.


Yes, he's a fantastic musician - all of the band members are.

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James, any idea if that is still the MP8 or does he have a VPC in there already.


No, I believe it's an MP8II inside (I posted a picture from one of the conversions in the 'GP shell' thread the other day). A VPC1 would be an ideal board for future GP conversions, however I believe Matt needs to have access to additional controls for changing patches. It might be possible to do that kind of thing remotely (off stage), if not just a separate MIDI control surface.

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davinwv #2024072 01/30/13 03:10 PM
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Phew, just read all of this monster thread.

So when are these going to start appearing in stores? (I'm in Vancouver BC)


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First of all, Thanks Kawai James for answering my questions.

Looking at the video at the Synthology Booth and showing Ivory being played on the Kawai VPC1 controller, I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of speakers they were using for the sound. I could see the speakers, but couldn't make out what they were. Did anyone recognize them? The weakest link in my experience is the speakers that reproduce the sound. So I always use headphones even though I have 3 different sets of monitor speakers. I am sure that Synthology chose the best ones to represent their products.

If anyone knows what kind or model they were, I would appreciate it knowing.


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James...
Certainly not a deal breaker for me... but just for fun, wanted to comment on the Mac computer Jordan Rudess was using. Do you think he would have liked to have had the editing software to fine tune the VPC? I'm still dumbfounded as to why a first class keyboard/controller would not be optimized for Mac! Please keep us informed as to if and when this added extra will become available. My plan right now would be to pick up an inexpensive Windows laptop just for use with the VPC1.
If the amount of the response in our thread is any indication, this product is going to be a must have for many! Again, thanks for all the helpful information you've made available for all of us!
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pianobear100, I will try to find out which speakers Synthogy use to demo Ivory II.

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Considering that the software products from Pianoteq, Galaxy, etc ... have a velocity curve option already, my common sense meter tells me that the velocity curve thingy in the VPC controller will make very little (if any) detectable difference in what the average piano players experience when using the VPC.

This just gives us a sense that we are getting things "just right" ... but the actual audible effect will be negligible.

Extremely good players attempting to express exceptional dynamics will probably notice the difference but others may not really detect anything different in their playing experience.

Am I alone in this "feeling" ?


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Don, common sense is all very well, however I would recommend trying the VPC1, (comparing the 'Normal' touch curve with one of the 'Approved' touch curves) before passing judgement.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Don, common sense is all very well, however I would recommend trying the VPC1, (comparing the 'Normal' touch curve with one of the 'Approved' touch curves) before passing judgement.

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I understand. I have certainly not "passed judgement". Only expressing a sense of things based on life's experiences. Unfortunately, I probably will be unable to make a move to the VPC controller any time soon, so judgement will have to be passed by others but I will be receptive to that judgement.



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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Hideki Matsui
Saw Muse last night.


Lucky guy!

They put on a pretty good show, don't they? wink

Originally Posted by Hideki Matsui
Glad to see Matt Bellamy is still using a Kawai onstage.


Yes, he's a fantastic musician - all of the band members are.

Originally Posted by Hideki Matsui
James, any idea if that is still the MP8 or does he have a VPC in there already.


No, I believe it's an MP8II inside (I posted a picture from one of the conversions in the 'GP shell' thread the other day). A VPC1 would be an ideal board for future GP conversions, however I believe Matt needs to have access to additional controls for changing patches. It might be possible to do that kind of thing remotely (off stage), if not just a separate MIDI control surface.

Cheers,
James
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I have seen them 8 times since 2004 at the Wiltern and they never disappoint. As with most bands that experience great commercial success, they aren't as raw as they were back in 2004, but they have really evolved in many ways as well. The crowd was the most crazed I've seen for Muse in the US, but deservedly so. They mixed in a healthy amount of older tunes and even the piano heavy Sunburn.

Muse only became popular in the US in recent years. Unfortunately, more for their radio hits, but I know over in Europe and Japan they have greater knowledge of Muse and Matt's artistry. The other guys have really stepped up their musicianship over the years, although they always sounded like guys who played together forever.

Thanks for the info. Their music isn't as piano oriented anymore, but Matt still plays a few tunes on the Kawai setup. You could see the Kawai logo in huge letters on the monitors that made up the jaw dropping set.

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Looking at the video at the Synthology Booth and showing Ivory being played on the Kawai VPC1 controller, I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of speakers they were using for the sound. I could see the speakers, but couldn't make out what they were.

They were Adam Audio S3X-H. Sounded very well, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Peter B
They were Adam Audio S3X-H. Sounded very well, for sure.


That's correct. wink

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The VPC website is now online at the following URL:

www.kawaivpc.com

(up-to-date Chrome/Firefox browser recommended)

We've tested everything thoroughly, so there shouldn't be too many bugs/typos, however if you spot any issues, I would be grateful if you send a private message.

Once again, my apologies for the delay!

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
The VPC website is now online at the following URL:

www.kawaivpc.com

(up-to-date Chrome/Firefox browser recommended)

We've tested everything thoroughly, so there shouldn't be too many bugs/typos, however if you spot any issues, I would be grateful if you send a private message.

Once again, my apologies for the delay!

Cheers,
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James...
The website is beautiful. Wow! So much helpful info... graphics are grabbers; Q&A excellent; really user friendly. This is award-winning quality! Just curious... will this type of promo/website be for only the VPC1, or can we expect to see more for other DP's? Congrats, this is outstanding!
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HisKidd, many thanks for your positive feedback!

We intend to add additional content (interviews with the VPC team/software developers/artists and tutorial videos etc.) in future, so please keep your eyes peeled on the facebook page and/or this forum for update announcements. wink

I'll also be updating the Q&A with answers to commonly asked questions.

Originally Posted by HisKidd
Just curious... will this type of promo/website be for only the VPC1, or can we expect to see more for other DP's?


We certainly hope so.

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