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#2020218 - 01/24/13 10:27 AM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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#2020219 - 01/24/13 10:29 AM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Kos]  
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Originally Posted by Kos
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Does anyone know when this is going to hit the market ? Anytime soon in Europe ?

I guess we'll know in a couple of days.

More likely, hours!

#2020246 - 01/24/13 11:31 AM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: CyberGene]  
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Here's my answer for the 4th icon and VPC1 keyring competition:

Alicia's Keys wink

I thought this was a joke tying in the keyring.

Congrats!

#2020258 - 01/24/13 11:51 AM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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No pun was intended laugh


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#2020347 - 01/24/13 02:15 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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.... so, how is it? How much?!


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#2020350 - 01/24/13 02:21 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Qbert]  
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Originally Posted by Qbert
.... so, how is it? How much?!

Patience, my young padawan, patience... smile


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#2020383 - 01/24/13 03:08 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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http://www.kraftmusic.com/kawai-vpc1-virtual-piano-controller.html

$1849, using RM3 Grand II. Weight.... 65lbs!!!

Ships with "approved touch curves" for the mentioned software products, but not with the sounds or software.


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#2020385 - 01/24/13 03:10 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Well spotted vox

#2020391 - 01/24/13 03:15 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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To be honest, I expected a little bit more. I really hope the touch curves have been prepared by real pianists and not by Kawai engineers. Judging by the fact CA63 and MP6 need to be in "heavy touch" position in order to behave realistically, I'll take Kawai's understanding of "approved touch curves" with a pinch of doubt.


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#2020395 - 01/24/13 03:18 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Better version of an old action in the price of CN 24/34 level without speakers and stand... That's my view
I think this is not what we expected...

#2020401 - 01/24/13 03:24 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Huge buildup... Big letdown?

To be honest, I'd prefer the MP10, and just make my own velocity-curve adjustments.

And talking of curves... Watch that laptop shimmy, shake and shatter!

Does look pleasing, though, and maybe some people only need a nice action and a USB connector.


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#2020420 - 01/24/13 03:46 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: voxpops]  
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Originally Posted by voxpops
Huge buildup... Big letdown?

To be honest, I'd prefer the MP10, and just make my own velocity-curve adjustments.


A lot of to do about nothing. This is a midi controller with a high price. Thanks but I'll use my MP6 which does just fine, weighs much less, looks sexy, and has great action. Geez...they could have at least fitted it with the GF action. The MP10 has RM3 already! I want be paying that kind of money for a shiny box! Come to think of it, even the MP-10 weighs less than this board! What a disappointment! I suppose if I were a studio musician shopping for a great action board, I'd spring for this. Assuming I did not already own a Kawai board that worked just fine as a VPC thank you!


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#2020428 - 01/24/13 03:52 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Why would you prefer the MP10 as a midi controller if this is 680 euros cheaper and offers a premium piano action? Or do you prefer to have built in piano sounds?

#2020429 - 01/24/13 03:55 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Does this not have a superior action than the MP6 but and cost the same roughly. I dont get it...I am definitely buying this

#2020430 - 01/24/13 03:55 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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I think we should wait the 'MP11'... it may possible that the sucessor of the MP10 have the GF... and then, yes, it would be a good one for the price... RM3 for 1849? Sorry, but, no. If it cost in the range of 1000-1300 tops, yes, it would be a nice choice because of it's action, but more than 1300 is no worth. Really.


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#2020434 - 01/24/13 04:00 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Providence]  
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Originally Posted by Providence
Why would you prefer the MP10 as a midi controller if this is 680 euros cheaper and offers a premium piano action? Or do you prefer to have built in piano sounds?


Yes, I prefer to have access to built-ins as well as the option to add VSTs.

Is there much difference between the MP10's action and this one?


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#2020436 - 01/24/13 04:01 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Yeah, that's a letdown alright. RM3? Come on...
And 1850 dollars? 300 more buys you CA13 with the same RM3 keyboard, rock solid stand, and some internal voices in case your computer breakes down.


"There is nothing to piano playing besides producing the appropriate velocities on the appropriate keys at the appropriate time" (c) qvfarns
#2020439 - 01/24/13 04:06 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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3 pedal unit is good idea.

What is difference between RM3 Grand and RM3 Grand II?

#2020441 - 01/24/13 04:06 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Kos]  
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Originally Posted by Kos
Yeah, that's a letdown alright. RM3? Come on...
And 1850 dollars? 300 more buys you CA13 with the same RM3 keyboard, rock solid stand, and some internal voices in case your computer breakes down.


Still a different action than CA13? This is RM3 II with a third sensor, if I've understood correctly. Otherwise I agree, although I would not be the target group for this one anyway (looking for a console).

#2020445 - 01/24/13 04:11 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: theJourney]  
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3 pedal unit is good idea.

What is difference between RM3 Grand and RM3 Grand II?



The addition of triple sensors for the new version...

K.


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#2020447 - 01/24/13 04:12 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: voxpops]  
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Originally Posted by voxpops
Originally Posted by Providence
Why would you prefer the MP10 as a midi controller if this is 680 euros cheaper and offers a premium piano action? Or do you prefer to have built in piano sounds?


Yes, I prefer to have access to built-ins as well as the option to add VSTs.

Is there much difference between the MP10's action and this one?

The MP10 has an "RM3 Grand action with let off". The VPC has RM3 Grand 2 wooden key action which I am assuming is at least on par if not superior to that of the MP10 (I am open to correction here). Previously, if I wanted to have a slab style dp to control VST instruments with the RM3 action I would have had to have shelled out 2080 in Europe (Thomann price) for the MP10. Now I can have it for around 1,400 euros without the bells and whistles of the MP10. Is this not what people h ave been screaming for?

#2020448 - 01/24/13 04:12 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Well, I don't know what the VPC will cost in Europe yet, so it's difficult for me to judge the pricing.
But I sure do feel better about my recent CA95 purchase now. Even if the VPC had been out back then, I suppose I would have wanted to go for the GF action anyways.


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#2020454 - 01/24/13 04:15 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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Missed the triple-sensor part in the description, sorry.
Still, the price is kinda high...


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#2020455 - 01/24/13 04:15 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: davinwv]  
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I am calculating the euro price from the dollar price using the current exchange rate but on second thoughts this might not make sense

#2020461 - 01/24/13 04:18 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Providence]  
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Originally Posted by Providence
Why would you prefer the MP10 as a midi controller if this is 680 euros cheaper and offers a premium piano action? Or do you prefer to have built in piano sounds?


Providence my point about the MP10 was about its weight when compared to the new VPC. I'll be using my MP6 which did cost considerably less, does have additional piano sounds, gets rave reviews about its action (RH1 with letoff), and will sound great with any of these software programs. Actually the MP10 weighs in at 70 pounds, so weight wise the new VPC and the MP10 would be comparable (both have the same action - RM3 Grand with let off). If all I ever intended to play was virtual pianos, and I planned to keep the board in my studio, then yes, I would buy it. It looks lovely. I love Kawai products, because of the keyboard action. If you already owned a Kawai digital with great action, that worked just fine as a midi-controller, would you buy the VPC?
I had hoped that at least at $1,900 dollars for a board that's not a digital piano and has no onboard speakers, the VPC would at least include software.
The total for these four VST's is roughly $900.00. I would guess that for $1100 they could have produced a board with good action; after all; you can buy the MP6 wholesale for $1200. I already have the best of both worlds, a great DP, and a great VPC for $700.00 less than the new VPC. smile


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#2020465 - 01/24/13 04:20 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: Kos]  
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Originally Posted by Kos
Yeah, that's a letdown alright. RM3? Come on...
And 1850 dollars? 300 more buys you CA13 with the same RM3 keyboard, rock solid stand, and some internal voices in case your computer breakes down.


I hear you, Kos! I was really hoping for the GF action in this package, but alas frown ....perhaps the successor to the MP10 (if it ever comes to fruition) will have the new GF action. Needless to say, I won't be parting with my Roland FP-7F anytime soon!

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And I almost sold my newly bought CA95. Approved touch curve? That's just plain funny:-)

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I think that is filling a much needed niche. RM3-II action in a controller! That's sweet for home/studio use IMO.


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Ah, hype and expectation always come back to bite you.

I haven't been following any of the hype and just took a look at the link above. I think it looks great. I'd certainly be interested... reading around and it seems velocity curves are a bit of a black art, keen to hear how this performs.

Price tag does seem high considering you need to already have your own vst/laptop/speakers setup..

Cool concept, and always impressed more and more with the way Kawai seem to be pushing tech compared to competitors.


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#2020483 - 01/24/13 04:31 PM Re: Kawai VPC [Re: HisKidd]  
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Originally Posted by HisKidd
Originally Posted by Providence
Why would you prefer the MP10 as a midi controller if this is 680 euros cheaper and offers a premium piano action? Or do you prefer to have built in piano sounds?


Providence my point about the MP10 was about its weight when compared to the new VPC. I'll be using my MP6 which did cost considerably less, does have additional piano sounds, gets rave reviews about its action (RH1 with letoff), and will sound great with any of these software programs. Actually the MP10 weighs in at 70 pounds, so weight wise the new VPC and the MP10 would be comparable (both have the same action - RM3 Grand with let off). If all I ever intended to play was virtual pianos, and I planned to keep the board in my studio, then yes, I would buy it. It looks lovely. I love Kawai products, because of the keyboard action. If you already owned a Kawai digital with great action, that worked just fine as a midi-controller, would you buy the VPC?
I had hoped that at least at $1,900 dollars for a board that's not a digital piano and has no onboard speakers, the VPC would at least include software.
The total for these four VST's is roughly $900.00. I would guess that for $1100 they could have produced a board with good action; after all; you can buy the MP6 wholesale for $1200. I already have the best of both worlds, a great DP, and a great VPC for $700.00 less than the new VPC. smile

Hi HisKidd,
You are approaching this from the angle of someone who already owns a DP with a premium kawai action (MP6). Think of all of those who are looking for a board purely to control VST instruments but could not justify paying the premium for the extra bells and whistles the MP10 had. Have prayers not been answered?

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