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#2017666 - 01/20/13 05:31 AM The Quietest DP keyboards?  
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Or are they all noisy even when not switched on? I had a neighbour complaining about this after a 3 am (headphone) session . . . .she didn`t know what it was! And my missus now says she can`t sleep while I`m banging away . . (what`d I just say . . . .)


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#2017668 - 01/20/13 05:39 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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They all make some noise. My experience is that Kawai are the quietest, then Yamaha GHS, then either Casio or Roland. You could try something like an NP11 or 31 for middle of the night practice? They are pretty cheap, and a spring action rather than hammer, so don't expect much and check it out before buying because they are not really a DP IMHO.

#2017677 - 01/20/13 06:50 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Peter,

Is this an adjacent apartment or a condo/townhouse type with a shared wall that a neighbor can hear you playing in?


#2017684 - 01/20/13 07:49 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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I know the feeling, when I first got the DP it felt like people were walking around it was so noisy.

In the end I learnt to play softer.

And moved the DP somewhere far away from others.

Or you could sound proof the room with cork tiles I suppose.

Problem is the noise they make are low clacky bassey sounds so they can be heard by people trying to sleep.

Guy next door hasn't complained though, maybe because I can hear them having sex all the time.

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#2017694 - 01/20/13 08:30 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: justpin]  
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Originally Posted by justpin

Problem is the noise they make are low clacky bassey sounds so they can be heard by people trying to sleep.

Guy next door hasn't complained though, maybe because I can hear them having sex all the time.


That's exactly the problem - it's all relative. Almost certainly. ordinary pianos make lots of thudding, thumping, clacking noises but it's all masked by the sheer volume of the notes themselves. Next door's sex, being real and not digital will probably outdo the rest, so you'll probably be OK - in the good neighbourliness stakes, I mean.


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#2017779 - 01/20/13 12:32 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: o0Ampy0o]  
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Ampy, it was a shared inner wall. Not too thick either! Bedrooms were upstairs, the piano was downstairs. The piano I have now is no better; it`s not the neighbours I have to worry about anymore.

It`s the wife ha ha!


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#2017819 - 01/20/13 01:47 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Yeah, unfortunately they all make some noise and at 3:00 for some people it doesn't take a lot of noise for it to be a significant problem.

There is definitely a feeling (with which I agree) that the Kawai wood actions are somewhat quieter than some other actions. I think one reason for that is that the pitch is lower. Sort of a whump instead of a thump or even a clunk. Anyway, those lower pitches sound less noisy in the room but they travel from one room to another very easily. So which action is noisiest is partially dependent on how far away you are.

If the piano is transmitting sound into the floor and basically shaking the room we've had people have some success adding a large mass and some foam (or carpet) underneath it. Insulating a room for sounds that are transmitted sideways can be either expensive or ineffective--the effective ways include adding something significant to the wall (mass-loaded vinyl and the like). Actually they tell me another layer of drywall over your current one, attached by caulk (not nails), does a decent job but it's still a significant endeavor. If you wanted to do a good job with this you could even get the super-heavy drywall made for reflecting sound or use sound absorbing goo instead of regular caulk.

I haven't really heard people complain of sound going up from a lower room to one in the room above it that much. I guess you need to determine if the sound it going through the ceiling/floor or whether it might be coming up the stairs. If it's the latter you can make sure it's behind a closed door or two with something at the bottom of the door. In either case, you can move it to a more remote room. That one nice thing about digitals...you can easily move them from one place to another if you need to.

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#2017934 - 01/20/13 05:34 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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My HP-505 keys definitly make clunk, and not whump. When I play Preludium in C (BWV 846) for warming up, it is very helpful to not always have the DP already switched on. Coming from the drums, I can pretty good judge on the applied dynamics by just listening to the noise of the keys! Furthermore, this clunky method is especially helpful to listen to my timing to stay constant throughout each note of that piece. That´s a very important excercise! You know how to know that it is the drummer who is coming to visit you: the knocking at the door speeds up!
In serious: worried about my neighbors, I don´t play (note even with headphones) after 22:30h. Knocking noise transmits in a building much(!) better than sound waves. I would first think about placing some damping under the DP, where the DP feet touch the floor. This can easily and cheaply be done, and will most likely solve your problem!

#2017949 - 01/20/13 06:21 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: gvfarns]  
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Originally Posted by gvfarns


If the piano is transmitting sound into the floor and basically shaking the room we've had people have some success adding a large mass and some foam (or carpet) underneath it.


I'm curious about why some people's DPs transmit so much sound purely from key thump into the floor as to annoy neighbors below or even through the wall. Noone mentioned what stand was used (for those using stage DPs). I do think that the stand can make a huge difference to how much sound is transmitted from the thumping of the keys.

I use the recommended (and dedicated) KS-V8 stand with my V-Piano, which is really heavy and solid metal, and has thick pillars, plus hard rubber where the slab rests as well as on the floor contacts. I believe the thick (hollowed) metal pillars help to absorb vibrations and key thump, as I only have a thin carpet on the floor, yet my neighbor downstairs cannot hear anything when I play (even when I'm hitting hard, as I'm wont to do), but can easily hear me walking across the floor (and it's not because I'm heavy/fat grin).



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#2017971 - 01/20/13 07:18 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: bennevis]  
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I think the flat base of the keyboard on most dgitals can act as a sound board . . .a bloody good one too! The isulative work should be inside the piano . . .I don`t think it`s heard through the floor; just the raw sound with the casing/base.


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#2018642 - 01/21/13 10:35 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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I was picking up some music from my local music store and I thought of this thread, so I've videoed some DP keyboard sounds to compare.

Kawai Grand Feel Keyboard
Roland PHAIII
Yamaha GHS


Yamaha C6F
Kawai CA95
#2018656 - 01/21/13 11:00 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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And moved the DP somewhere far away from others.


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#2018675 - 01/21/13 11:46 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Thanks to chickenlump for those videos - good to have as a reference.

And indeed the Kawai is definitely... Kawai-etest

;-)

#2018834 - 01/22/13 07:56 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: chickenlump]  
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Originally Posted by chickenlump
I was picking up some music from my local music store and I thought of this thread, so I've videoed some DP keyboard sounds to compare.

Kawai Grand Feel Keyboard
Roland PHAIII
Yamaha GHS


Kawai FTW!:-)
I downloaded "Noise Meter" app for my cell phone and measured loudness of keyboards of these brands when I played them at the store and Roland and Yamaha were similar while Kawai noticably quieter.

#2018896 - 01/22/13 10:50 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Nice video comparison. Thanks. You are truly blessed to have a piano store near you with all three brands and with high-end pianos from all three brands.

Can't argue with the data. Kawai wins.

#2018925 - 01/22/13 11:31 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Nice!

chickenlump or someone else - do you know how RH/RH2 compare to "Grand Feel" noise wise?

#2018995 - 01/22/13 01:25 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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I use RH2, which is also a quiet action.

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it's as quite as you can get.

#2019068 - 01/22/13 02:52 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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"I use RH2, which is also a quiet action."

Lucky you ;-)

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My RH2 is quite quiet. Lucky me


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#2019338 - 01/22/13 10:57 PM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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Thanks JFP. My choice was either and ES-7 or a CN-34, and finally choose the CN-34. However , it would have been nice if the CN-34 had the auto-accompaniment and the amplifier and speakersystem of the former CN-43. Some drawback, but you can't have it all.

#2019469 - 01/23/13 07:04 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: peterws]  
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And how about Casio keybeds? Anyone with the new Privias to make a video like chickenlump made?


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#2019571 - 01/23/13 11:19 AM Re: The Quietest DP keyboards? [Re: chickenlump]  
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The Yamaha GHS is the loudest of the loud! I`ve got it . . . .


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Originally Posted by peterws
The Yamaha GHS is the loudest of the loud! I`ve got it . . . .

Me too, but I like my MOx8... sometimes the noise and clicking doesn't bother me. Just want to know about Casio Dp's. If they are too noisy and too clicky.


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