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#2044268 - 03/07/13 12:09 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: Dr Popper]  
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Makes perfect sense when you put It like that


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#2044280 - 03/07/13 12:19 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: ctnski]  
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Originally Posted by ctnski
Interesting product; but being longer than necessary and thus exceeding the ATA limit of 62 inches (when put into a travel case


This is the problem, again and again.

#2045292 - 03/08/13 10:36 PM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: theJourney]  
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Interesting product; but being longer than necessary and thus exceeding the ATA limit of 62 inches (when put into a travel case


This is the problem, again and again.


Needn't be so.

Can it really be so difficult to make a shorter version of an FP-7F, with keys running out to both ends and controls at the top?

This is how you do it: start with a 62-inch travel case (say, 44 x 12 x 6) and design a keyboard with as many keys as will fit into it. Make it as high quality as the full-size boards, with weighted keys and great piano sounds. It would weigh about 25 lbs, less than 40 lbs. in its case, and would be the only product on the market that could be advertised as a travel-friendly piano.

Even better, design a dedicated case that could easily be converted into a stand, flip it over and set the piano on top and design some retractable legs into the case. Make the whole package under 50 lbs. and 62 inches. Sell a bunch, I just know you would.

I keep hoping.


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#2045405 - 03/09/13 08:29 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: ctnski]  
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Originally Posted by ctnski
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Originally Posted by ctnski
Interesting product; but being longer than necessary and thus exceeding the ATA limit of 62 inches (when put into a travel case


This is the problem, again and again.


Needn't be so.

Can it really be so difficult to make a shorter version of an FP-7F, with keys running out to both ends and controls at the top?

This is how you do it: start with a 62-inch travel case (say, 44 x 12 x 6) and design a keyboard with as many keys as will fit into it. Make it as high quality as the full-size boards, with weighted keys and great piano sounds. It would weigh about 25 lbs, less than 40 lbs. in its case, and would be the only product on the market that could be advertised as a travel-friendly piano.

Even better, design a dedicated case that could easily be converted into a stand, flip it over and set the piano on top and design some retractable legs into the case. Make the whole package under 50 lbs. and 62 inches. Sell a bunch, I just know you would.

I keep hoping.


I can guarantee that you'd sell at least one!

On the ATA issue, I believe this Roland fits into some hardshell cases designed for 61-key controllers. I do not know whether those cases meet the ATA standards.

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#2045424 - 03/09/13 09:20 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: Dr Popper]  
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I own just such a case, an SKB hardshell with wheels, designed for 61-key controllers. Unfortunately, it measures 45 x 18 x 7, for a total of 70 inches.

Again, one only needs to start with a case of maximum dimensions, then design the keyboard with maximum number of keys to fit in said case. Elementary.


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#2045442 - 03/09/13 09:44 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: ctnski]  
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Originally Posted by ctnski
This is how you do it: start with a 62-inch travel case (say, 44 x 12 x 6) and design a keyboard with as many keys as will fit into it. Make it as high quality as the full-size boards, with weighted keys and great piano sounds. It would weigh about 25 lbs, less than 40 lbs. in its case, and would be the only product on the market that could be advertised as a travel-friendly piano.

Even better, design a dedicated case that could easily be converted into a stand, flip it over and set the piano on top and design some retractable legs into the case. Make the whole package under 50 lbs. and 62 inches. Sell a bunch, I just know you would.

Even better, build the DP into the flight case. They used to do this sort of thing, not sure why they don't anymore - like everything else DP I suppose it makes too much sense.

#2045466 - 03/09/13 10:55 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: ctnski]  
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Originally Posted by ctnski
Can it really be so difficult to make a shorter version of an FP-7F, with keys running out to both ends and controls at the top?

This is how you do it: start with a 62-inch travel case (say, 44 x 12 x 6) and design a keyboard with as many keys as will fit into it. Make it as high quality as the full-size boards, with weighted keys and great piano sounds. It would weigh about 25 lbs

A short version of an FP-74 still wouldn't weight 25 lbs. At 88 keys, its 53 pounds. So you'd probably have to get down to around a minuscule 44 keys to get to that 25 lb range. But as for lighter weight boards, it is a shame that they built the RD-64 around the A-88 foundation (with controls on the left) instead of the FP-4F foundation (with controls behind). But in terms of re-purposing existing designs, functionally/electronically, the A-88 had the controller functionality, so you can see where that choice came from. So I guess then the argument could be made that, even for the A-88, they should have designed it with the controls behind. After all, that board is arguably annoyingly long for what it is as well! Maybe for some reason, it was just cheaper to manufacture that way, with a short control panel to the left of the keys instead of a long narrow control panel behind.

#2045704 - 03/09/13 09:49 PM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: Dr Popper]  
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I agree with all of that. The shorter 'board should be a shortened FP-4, not an FP-7. Whatever the rationale for putting the controls to the left, doing so lost them at least one sale.

Dewster, making the keyboard integral with the case would be a great way to maximize its size. Just want it to include some fold-down legs so the whole thing is a usable package. No use having a travel piano if you have no stand to set it up on.


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#2045782 - 03/10/13 03:25 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: anotherscott]  
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...that board is arguably annoyingly long for what it is as well! Maybe for some reason, it was just cheaper to manufacture that way, with a short control panel to the left of the keys instead of a long narrow control panel behind.


Yes. There seems to be a lot of that going around: forget what consumers' needs are, just build it at the highest possible profit margin.

#2045787 - 03/10/13 03:45 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: theJourney]  
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One small step in the right direction is the announcement of the Studiologic Acuna73. But not in the same league (2 sensor controller only; TP100 Fatar keybed with a little short keys).
But very light, seems right priced and focused on an interface as a control device right. (But not generic, iPad support only).already on sale (in Italy)?

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Originally Posted by theJourney
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...that board is arguably annoyingly long for what it is as well! Maybe for some reason, it was just cheaper to manufacture that way, with a short control panel to the left of the keys instead of a long narrow control panel behind.


Yes. There seems to be a lot of that going around: forget what consumers' needs are, just build it at the highest possible profit margin.

Well, profit is why they build things at all, and Roland is not exactly swimming in an abundance of profit these days. I wonder if they would sell many more of these things (A88, RD64, A49) if they had put the controls up above the keys, but they had to charge $50-$100 more, for example, and whether they had considered that option. But then again, Roland has a history of making products I find "almost" great but with a few unfortunate design decisions.

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Originally Posted by Temperament
One small step in the right direction is the announcement of the Studiologic Acuna73. But not in the same league (2 sensor controller only; TP100 Fatar keybed with a little short keys).

Studiologic & Fatar - a match made in heaven. wink

#2046245 - 03/10/13 10:06 PM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: dewster]  
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Studiologic & Fatar - a match made in heaven. wink

I believe they are two divisions of the same company.

#2046334 - 03/11/13 03:09 AM Re: How about a 64 key piano ... ? Rolands new RD-64 [Re: Dr Popper]  
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With all due respect , but if you look at the B-stock list of the big web shops, you'll be surprised how many Nano's and other Studiologic TP100 boards are send back. Not a good sign IMHO. If they would ramp up support and communication with their customer base , things might improve, but they always seem to be living in a cave underground as far as support / updates etc are concerned. If your unit is OK and the software works for you, you can have a nice , light and cheap board. If not - you're on your own. Fatar/SL should start living in the 21st century ...

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