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#2017843 - 01/20/13 01:58 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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I don't know the Ogdon story, but there are credible accounts of Liszt's feats as well as those of Saint-Saens that have led to them being thought of as two of the greatest (if not the greatest) sight-readers ever.

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#2017895 - 01/20/13 03:21 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Arghhh
How did you get that "does not equal" sign in there?

I wondered too.
How I'd try to do it: Find it on google and copy/paste it. Let's see if that works:



Bingo!!

But I suspect Bruce has a better way.
[...]


Not necessarily a "better" way, just a different one. I copy and paste from a character map which is pinned to my task bar. Same idea, except that I don't have to go to Google to find it.

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#2018008 - 01/20/13 07:48 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: Tararex]
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Originally Posted By: Tararex

That sameness of description of the observed skills strengthens the case that the event was as described.

You have a valid point, no argument there, but was still curious about the similarity, not much else.
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#2018018 - 01/20/13 07:57 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: sophial]
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Originally Posted By: sophial
I don't know the Ogdon story, but there are credible accounts of Liszt's feats as well as those of Saint-Saens that have led to them being thought of as two of the greatest (if not the greatest) sight-readers ever.

Indeed, but Brenda Lucas in her bio of her late husband, reports sight reading abilities that may very well be on the level of S-S or Liszt.

Full disclosure, this bio has been highly criticized by one particular member -who personally knew Ogdon- on the Radio 3 message board. There is reportedly a new bio in the works, though I don't think that Ogdon's talent as a sight reader or as a pianist who could learn instantly will be questioned.
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#2018039 - 01/20/13 08:54 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: sophial
I don't know the Ogdon story, but there are credible accounts of Liszt's feats as well as those of Saint-Saens that have led to them being thought of as two of the greatest (if not the greatest) sight-readers ever.

Indeed, but Brenda Lucas in her bio of her late husband, reports sight reading abilities that may very well be on the level of S-S or Liszt.

Full disclosure, this bio has been highly criticized by one particular member -who personally knew Ogdon- on the Radio 3 message board. There is reportedly a new bio in the works, though I don't think that Ogdon's talent as a sight reader or as a pianist who could learn instantly will be questioned.
That bio is quite depressing because there's much description of Ogdon's mental illness.

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#2018056 - 01/20/13 09:45 PM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
That bio is quite depressing because there's much description of Ogdon's mental illness.

It was horrible reading, worse because Ogdon's diabetes was undiagnosed until too late.
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#2018100 - 01/21/13 12:41 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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Thanks BruceD for the explanation (Sellars: American Theatre Director)... I can just imagine that all the chaps will now be using that cunning "≠" symbol to disagree ... saves a lot of unnecessary woids.

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#2018104 - 01/21/13 12:47 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: btb]
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Originally Posted By: btb
Thanks BruceD for the explanation (Sellars: American Theatre Director)... I can just imagine that all the chaps will now be using that cunning "≠" symbol to disagree ... saves a lot of unnecessary woids.

Yeah, except he didn't use it to mean disagree. He used the "doesn't equal" sign to mean, doesn't equal. grin


Here's what people should use for "disagree":


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#2018106 - 01/21/13 12:57 AM Re: Liszt really sight-read Chopins etudes..? [Re: davaofthekeys]
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Thanks Mark C ... I need a 2nd morning cup of tea to cotton on properly to the fine print ... but won't disagree with you too much ... so you can take your
head-shaking sign down.

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