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My teacher gave me homework to learn how to play my scales differently. She couldn't remember what its called.

I'm only doing this in one octave with C scale:

The pattern is:

play up together,
apart,
back together,
up together,
down together,
apart,
back together,
and down together.

I really like learning this just want to know what it's called! (formula, pattern etc.)

You mean like similar motion scales followed by contrary motion scales etc, but not stopping between each type?

Neil.

Edit: No idea if there is a proper name for the whole thing but it sounds like similar motion and contrary motion joined together.

It's called the Grand Scale.

Up 2 Octaves
Contrary Motion 2 Octaves
Reverse Contrary Motion 2 Octaves
Up 2 Octaves
Down 4 Octaves

Ooooooooo its got a proper name. So much to learn..........

Where would you start? Around the middle?

Neil.

Yep you start where you normally would. I'm sure next week I get to go to two octaves.

Thanks Jazzwee! Neil if you haven't tried it, you gotta. It's lot's of fun!

I love you guys. Someone always has an answer.

I think I'll do that actually Becca, it does sound like fun, watch my fingers fall over themselves!

My teacher just calls them contrary scales. Of course only part of it is contrary. I've stopped doing regular arpeggios and just do these now. Surprising tough - particularly when your hands are at opposite ends of the keyboard.

Do you mean you've stopped doing regular scales? Arpeggios are something else aren't they?
I can imagine it is pretty tough if your hands are at either end of the keyboard, must try this tonight.

I think you might be pleasantly surprised Neil! I'm a beginner and doing it in c scale for one octave is very simple! (other scales, well I'm betting not so much lol.)

I think it starts two octaves below middle C, the two hands an octave apart and then the contrary motion starts when the LH reaches middle C. And then on the way back you continue up 2 octaves up.

So basically the full scale is a 4 octave practice. It is quite difficult to do well. Even after many years of doing this I can still improve.

BTW this is an example of where you have to move your bottom to play this well. If you sit without moving your body at middle D then you will be all twisted up.

Wohooo, just did a 'Grand Scale' two octaves (exactly as jazwee wrote above) and it was A LOT of fun, like you said Becca. I know it's silly, but that was quite exciting haha.

Thanks guys!

BeccaBb, I see your teacher is introducing you to a subset of the Grand Scale then.

I only do this in C scale (the full Grand Scale). Doesn't work easily otherwise with contrary motion.

Well I think it would be 4 octaves to be called a 'Grand Scale' In case there's some lingo police around...

I figured mine was a simplified version. After I learn that I think I'll beg to try the full one. I have a pile of of other scales to learn too (speaking of I better get my butt in gear!)

Later gators!

I'm playing the Grand Scale in C

Another variation my teacher has me doing is only playing the C, E and G notes on the scale ... it's a little more difficult than doing the full octave of notes ...

I've noticed that if I look at my right hand and think about my left while doing contrary portion I can make fewer mistakes when my left hand is out of sight

jazzwee, I play the Grand Scale with my body centered at middle D, and I don't experience problems.

I sometimes play the Grand Scale in C (I just learnt the name) and I find it difficult but fun.
In other keys the problem is that my contrary motion scales are awful, I should practice them more but I really hate them. I don't remember having learnt them as a child, so they are quite new and difficult for me.

By the time you get to the 4th octave, your fingers will be at an angle to the keys. Now as you play it faster and faster it will be a lot of gyration.

I still can't play the grand scale at 150bpm (16ths) -- which I can do easily with the RH only. I fail at the top of the 4th octave. And as I examined the problem it's the LH that is severely angled. So the only solution is to move the body from side to side.

I was taught to improve the angle of the fingers by moving my upper body (which as a consequence causes the lower body to shift).

So here's another hand independence exercise I do in addition to the Grand Scale. You alter the LH note rhythm vs. RH.

For example you play a scale at a LH:RH ratio of 1:2 (2 notes on the RH for every 1 on the LH). Then you do it 1:3. Then 1:4.

I do this mostly with the C scale.

If I play a four octave C scale, for example, starting with RH on middle C and LH an octave lower, I do lean my body, and I lean towards one side of my bottom and the other side unweights from the branch. But when you said you had to move your bottom to play these, I took you to mean that you actually moved your bottom from one spot to another on the bench.