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Sustain pedal and the split mode -- is this normal??
#2015022 01/15/13 04:47 PM
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Hello. Yamaha p105. In the split mode the sustain pedal only works on the right side instrument voice. Is this normal? I guess it makes sense that the left hand sound would usually be a bass or something that you don't want sustaining. Are all dp pianos like this?

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It is normal that in Split mode the sustain is only affecting the right hand voice. There is no setting to change this. We usually do not want sustain on a Bass voice.

André Chouinard

http://ca.yamaha.com/support/

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Re: Sustain pedal and the split mode -- is this normal??
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Check the owner's manual for a 'Lower Pedal' (or similarly named setting), which determines whether or not the sustain pedal will affect (i.e. sustain) the lower sound when using Split mode.

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Originally Posted by Jonny Guitar
Hello. Yamaha p105. In the split mode the sustain pedal only works on the right side instrument voice. Is this normal? I guess it makes sense that the left hand sound would usually be a bass or something that you don't want sustaining. Are all dp pianos like this?

Some work that way, some don't, and some can be configured to work either way on a patch by patch basis.

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Doesn't seem to be covered in the manual: might not be adjustable because of the limits of the piano. I emailed yamaha and asked them if it is switchable. Will post the answer when it comes back.

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I am interested in the answer too.
There's nothing mentioned in the manual of P-015

I just checked the Casio's PX-350 manual and there, when you do splits and have the optional pedal board installed left pedal sustains left part of the keyboard, right pedal sustains right side and the middle peddal sustains both.
I guess/hope Yamaha have done the same with the P-105.

Please, let us know when you get the answer.

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Checked the Yamaha P-155 manual, there in the settings you can select on which part the damper pedal affects, left/right/ both.
There is no mention of 3 pedal board. I guess they don't offer it with this model.

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I was told by a yamaha Rep that the lower end yamahas (I had a ypg635 at the time) were not given the left hand sustain option in split mode and he knew of no way around it except to upgrade to a "higher" model.


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found it, there you go, P-105 manual, page E-11
it says it's for duo mode, wondering if it will be the same in the split mode
Aren't the split and the duo mode almost the same ? IN split you can choose the split point vs in duo it splits it in half exactly.
You can choose different instruments and shift octaves in both modes.

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Pedal function in Duo
The Footswitch connected to the [SUSTAIN] jack
affects both Right and Left sections. The optional
Pedal unit (page 8) functions as follows:
• Damper Pedal: Applies Sustain to the right sec-
tion.
• Sostenuto Pedal: Applies Sustain to both sec-
tions.
• Soft Pedal: Applies Sustain to the left section.

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Originally Posted by NikoKiko
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I just checked the Casio's PX-350 manual and there, when you do splits and have the optional pedal board installed left pedal sustains left part of the keyboard, right pedal sustains right side and the middle peddal sustains both.
I guess/hope Yamaha have done the same with the P-105.

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I just tried the pedal on a split on my PX-350 (left hand Finger Bass 1, right hand Piano) -- the right ("damper") pedal put "sustain" on both halves of the keyboard.

I haven't found any "function menu" item that controls it.

It might work as you say in "Duet" mode -- I'll try that next. . . .

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Nikko, I saw that section regarding the duo pedal configuration but it doesn't mention split. I think piRound might have it right but I have an email into yamaha and hopefully they won't take an age to respond. Most of my splits will be with bass or with droning organ chords anyways so it isn't a big deal beyond just my inquiring mind wanting to know if my keyboard is functioning correctly.

The fact that it is in the p155 manual and not the p105 strongly suggests that it doesn't exist in the p105.

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Yamaha made a big mistake using the terms "Duo" and "Dual" to describe modes in the same product. It is certain to confuse people, especially considering the model could be a beginner's first digital piano.

Duo meaning: two players, same piano, same octave range, side by side
Dual meaning: layering two voices


Much more sensible, Casio refers to these as "Duet" and "Layer" respectively.

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Originally Posted by o0Ampy0o
Yamaha made a big mistake using the terms "Duo" and "Dual" to describe modes in the same product. It is certain to confuse people, especially considering the model could be a beginner's first digital piano.

Duo meaning: two players, same piano, same octave range, side by side
Dual meaning: layering two voices

Much more sensible, Casio refers to these as "Duet" and "Layer" respectively.


Before this goes _completely_ off the rails:<g>

Casio uses three words:

. . . "Split" -- the keyboard is split, left side / right side. One "tone" (= "patch" = "voice") on the left side, and one or two (see "Layer") on the right side.

. . . "Layer" -- two "tones" sound together when a key is pressed. The _right_ side of a split keyboard can also be layered -- for example:
. . . left side: Acoustic bass
. . . right side: Grand Piano + Strings

. . . "Duet" -- the left side and right side use the same "tone" (only one, no layering), and each half-keyboard is shifted an octave or two, so that they play similar pitches.

In "Split" mode, the damper pedal affects the whole keyboard.

In "Duet" mode, there's a separate damper pedal for each half of the keyboard. Half-pedalling work on the right-hand pedal of the 3-pedal set.

. Charles

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Originally Posted by o0Ampy0o
Yamaha made a big mistake using the terms "Duo" and "Dual" to describe modes in the same product. It is certain to confuse people, especially considering the model could be a beginner's first digital piano.

Duo meaning: two players, same piano, same octave range, side by side
Dual meaning: layering two voices



Evidently, considering even the Yamaha rep responded to my question by citing the manuals instructions regarding Duo mode instead of split mode. Oh well, I guess the fact he got back to me in less than 24 hours is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by cpcohen1945
...Casio uses three words:

Not sure that this point needed to be made, so does Yamaha.

Both, Casio and Yamaha call splitting the keyboard "Split."

At least the three words used by Casio clearly delineate their function.

As for Yamaha using two words like "Duo" and "Dual" for separate functions, they are too close to be easily distinguished from one another.

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So the official word from yamaha:

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It is normal that in Split mode the sustain is only affecting the right hand voice. There is no setting to change this. We usually do not want sustain on a Bass voice.

André C.

http://ca.yamaha.com/support/


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