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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: btb] #2008948
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Originally Posted by btb
....why would anybody want to choose this Fantaisie to impress the judges ... when there is a wagon-load of breathtaking Chopin works crying out for a daring airing?

The Fantasy structure is any composer’s excuse to bend the rules ... and frig around with tempo and indulge in inconsequential rubato ... with lashings of scalar and chromatic runs ... boring stuff.

When the chappie gets it right as with the Fantaisie Impromptu Opus 66 ... we all go into adoration mode....

My guess is that Chopin didn’t want this work to see the light of day ... he had already written his masterpiece ... Fantaisie Impromptu Opus 66....

Double oy. grin

BTW that last thing, about Chopin not wanting the piece to see the light of day, is clearly mistaken.

btb, even after being together on this site for about 100 years, I still don't know how serious you are about 90% of what you say, and I'd bet you've been pulling our leg with most of this. But you do have a unique and creative style. smile

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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: btb] #2008983
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Originally Posted by btb

My guess is that Chopin didn’t want this work to see the light of day ... he had already written his masterpiece ... Fantaisie Impromptu Opus 66.
Well, well ... I feel better now.


Glad you feel better - but you're wrong !!

From the Vancouver Chopin Society Website regarding the Opus 49....

"This large-scaled composition is considered one of Chopin’s masterpieces. The Fantasy opens with a solemn and mysterious march-like introduction leading to a passionate drama with a central chorale, Lento sostenuto, of unusual serenity. Niecks felt “Chopin’s genius had now reached the most perfect stage of its development and was radiating with all the intensity of which its nature was capable.” "

As for the Opus 66 Fantaisie-Impromptu - it was published against Chopin's wishes after his death. Apparently he didn't feel it was up to snuff. crazy




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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW] #2008988
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Originally Posted by Joel_W
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Seems like something out of Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.

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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Carey] #2009093
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Help me out. smile

Is it possible that someone as knowledgeable as btb would have really thought the main difficulty was where he said, and that he would have doubted that someone even half-accomplished would be able easily to play the notes? I really can't imagine it -- and most of the time I can imagine almost anything. ha

I think this is a little important. It's good to know how seriously to take things. smile

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Mark_C] #2009095
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Help me out. smile

Is it possible that someone as knowledgeable as btb would have really thought the main difficulty was where he said, and that he would have doubted that someone even half-accomplished would be able easily to play the notes? I really can't imagine it -- and most of the time I can imagine almost anything. ha

I think this is a little important. It's good to know how seriously to take things. smile


I think your premise is faulty.

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Mark_C] #2009097
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Help me out. smile

Is it possible that someone as knowledgeable as btb would have really thought the main difficulty was where he said, and that he would have doubted that someone even half-accomplished would be able easily to play the notes? I really can't imagine it -- and most of the time I can imagine almost anything. ha

I think this is a little important. It's good to know how seriously to take things. smile


Mark - One thing I've learned around here is to not make assumptions about anything....... ha

btb was either serious - or pulling our collective legs.

Nevertheless, I offered the info above, in part, just to see how he'd react. (Testing the waters so to speak.......) wink




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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Damon] #2009100
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Originally Posted by Damon
I think your premise is faulty.

If you mean the premise that I think you mean grin ....I can see how one might think that, and for quite a while I easily sort of assumed it myself, until I saw (to my satisfaction, which doesn't mean it's right) that it's as I said. smile

BTW if Stores were still here, he'd have a field day with this post.

In fact, I can do it myself!


"Wow, just wow." ha

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW] #2009255
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Adding a bow to Mark's "wow" (see bottom of page)

Later generations are said to regard the
Fantaisie Opus 49 of Chopin as a masterpiece ...
but not this chicken ...
Chalk and cheese after I had played the Fantaisie Impromptu Opus 66.

And let it be said from the rooftops ... as you chaps well know ...
I know better.

PS I'm homeless ... but a piece of cardboard shields the rain ...
it’s passing dogs with raised legs who need watching.

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: btb] #2009260
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You're a poet, and you know it. smile

Originally Posted by btb
And let it be said from the rooftops ... as you chaps well know ...
I know better.

Yes, I thought so.


And I hope you're not serious about that last part, and I suspect you're not, among other reasons because I don't think very many homeless are able to be active on the internet, but who knows....and if you are serious, I can only say I hope you're all right.

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW] #2009269
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Thanks for staying in the mix Mark ... anything I say will always have a lampooning jibe ... to unhinge any straight-laced stay-at-homes ... and remind them that there is a lot of fun out there ... if they get off their backsides and smell the roses ... sometimes a case of grab the nettle! ( but I wear gloves).

The Internet provides a marvellous phantasy world ...
where the daring can go on a magic carpet ride to hitherto undreamt worlds.

PS Must just tell you that I’ve dredged up a stunning record of the King ‘s Singers ...

The Windmills of Your Mind
I’m a Train
Fool On the Hill
Java Jive
Life on Mars
A Horse with No Name
She’s Leaving Home
God Bless Joanna
Strawberry Hills Forever
For the Peace of all Mankind
A Taste of Honey

Anybody remember?

Hang in there Mike!





Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: btb] #2009360
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Originally Posted by btb

Later generations are said to regard the
Fantaisie Opus 49 of Chopin as a masterpiece ...
but not this chicken ...


Nice to know that YOU really know better.......... grin


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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: bennevis] #2009459
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Originally Posted by bennevis
For a wrong-note passage

I immediately think of the jumping octaves in Scherzo No. 3.


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Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: AZNpiano] #2009467
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by bennevis
For a wrong-note passage

I immediately think of the jumping octaves in Scherzo No. 3.

Hard for me to see the octaves in the Scherzo being nearly as risky or challenging as those in the Fantaisie -- in any event, they aren't for me, and I don't hear people messing them up or making musical sacrifices on them nearly as much as in the Fantaisie. I know that there's a lot more of them in the Scherzo, but I don't see them being nearly as hard.

Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW] #2009628
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not harder than the jumping octaves in the scherzo of op.35 for me, or some awkward moves in op.25/10


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