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#2007663 - 01/01/13 08:37 PM Fantasie in F minor, op. 49  
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When college websites ask for "a romantic work demonstrating significant technical accomplishment" for part of an audition, would the F minor fantasie work, or are they looking for more difficult pieces?

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#2007666 - 01/01/13 08:46 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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You could try it and find out. The worst they could do is reject you with a lot of laughing and pointing!

Just kidding! It should be fine.


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You say it as if the fantasie is not a hard work. It should be fine.

#2007671 - 01/01/13 08:54 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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The Fantaisie is plenty difficult -- certainly would qualify as a demonstration of technical accomplishment for a college audition. IMO, really a pretty good candidate in the wealth of possible choices -- like all late Chopin, it is musically very rich and complex in addition to being appropriately virtuosic.

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
The Fantaisie is plenty difficult -- certainly would qualify as a demonstration of technical accomplishment for a college audition. IMO, really a pretty good candidate in the wealth of possible choices -- like all late Chopin, it is musically very rich and complex in addition to being appropriately virtuosic.


Right on !!!! thumb

And Joel - I didn't learn/perform the Fantaisie until grad school. If you can truly pull the piece off as a high school senior, I'm betting the folks you play for in the audition will be impressed.


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#2007691 - 01/01/13 09:27 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Tim Adrianson]  
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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
like all late Chopin, it is musically very rich and complex in addition to being appropriately virtuosic.


God, absolutely! I practically avoid early Chopin these days. Nothing compares to his later stuff IMO.

#2007698 - 01/01/13 09:41 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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I am in a Masters in Piano Performance learning this piece! It is plenty difficult! It is not all about flashy technique. This piece requires extremely sensitive playing and a deep understanding of its structure.


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#2007777 - 01/02/13 01:25 AM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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It's about as difficult a piece as there is.

When I first came to this site, I noticed that this piece was one of the least-discussed major pieces of Chopin. Since it's one of my long-time favorites, I started a thread on it, and was shocked to find that one of the main views expressed was that it was one of the less-difficult major Chopin pieces -- like, that it was a piece that intermediate players could try if they didn't feel up to the Ballades or Scherzi. I know that such things are subjective, but.....not always. With all due respect to the other side.....OK, with at least a tiny amount of respect ha ....that's total baloney. I can sort of understand the view, if what they're thinking of is (as is sometimes the case) "except for the hard parts." grin
Or if they're not talking about aiming for anything beyond a cautious and timid performance.

You don't have to worry that the people doing the selection at the college will have that view. They'll regard the piece as it really is.

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I'll add my voice to the choir. The f minor fantasie is a major work, suitable for any audition or competition in the world.


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#2007792 - 01/02/13 02:18 AM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Mark_C]  
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You don't have to worry that the people doing the selection at the college will have that view. They'll regard the piece as it really is.


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#2007804 - 01/02/13 04:40 AM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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In the last Chopin Competition, the Polonaise-Fantasie Op.61 seemed to be regarded as the ultimate test of a pianist's musicianship in this composer. Personally, I think the accolade applies even more to the Fantasie.


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#2007859 - 01/02/13 08:59 AM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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Ever since i first listened to it, it is my favourite Chopin long work. And the one of which i find the smallest number of truly great performances.

Egorov's being my favourite.

#2007900 - 01/02/13 10:54 AM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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Originally Posted by Joel_W
When college websites ask for "a romantic work demonstrating significant technical accomplishment" for part of an audition, would the F minor fantasie work, or are they looking for more difficult pieces?
IMO the fact that you think this work might not be difficult enough either means you already have a high professional level technique more typical of a top conservatory graduate or that you don't understand how difficult it is.

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#2007942 - 01/02/13 12:18 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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And, another point of interest, I had many people suggest that I use this piece for my DMA auditions this winter, and I am in fact using it for that.


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#2008013 - 01/02/13 02:38 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Mark_C]  
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
I started a thread on it, and was shocked to find that one of the main views expressed was that it was one of the less-difficult major Chopin pieces -- like, that it was a piece that intermediate players could try if they didn't feel up to the Ballades or Scherzi.


This is exactly why I asked you fine people.

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The Fantasie in F Minor Op. 49 is substantial enough for any audition.

Also your Chopin-with-sunglasses picture needs a caption that says "Deal With It." wink

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
The Fantasie in F Minor Op. 49 is substantial enough for any audition.

Also your Chopin-with-sunglasses picture needs a caption that says "Deal With It." wink


You know... I actually took that part out, but I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have. laugh

#2008033 - 01/02/13 03:13 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Orange Soda King]  
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
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Also your Chopin-with-sunglasses picture needs a caption that says "Deal With It." wink


.. and I find that "signature photograph" a very annoying distraction. It could at least be reduced considerably in size.


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#2008045 - 01/02/13 03:26 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: BruceD]  
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Originally Posted by BruceD
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Also your Chopin-with-sunglasses picture needs a caption that says "Deal With It." wink


.. and I find that "signature photograph" a very annoying distraction. It could at least be reduced considerably in size.


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#2008076 - 01/02/13 04:30 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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I think the Fantasie is every bit as hard technically as most of his non-sonata long works. Perhaps not as difficult as the schubert and schumann fantasies though i think few college applicants will have those under their belts!


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#2008078 - 01/02/13 04:32 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: JoelW]  
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#2008109 - 01/02/13 05:23 PM Re: Fantasie in F minor, op. 49 [Re: Kuanpiano]  
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Originally Posted by Kuanpiano
So mature!


Bruce was practically begging for it. But then again it likely means nothing considering Bruce and most of PW probably don't know what that meme is. (or memes in general)

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It isn't as musically demanding as the polonaise fantasie and I found the barcarolle to be harder technically.

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Originally Posted by Joel_W
Originally Posted by Kuanpiano
So mature!


Bruce was practically begging for it. But then again it likely means nothing considering Bruce and most of PW probably don't know what that meme is. (or memes in general)


I know what a meme is (both in the sense from a few years ago and the more recent Reddit-y sense), and I hate images in PW signatures, yours definitely included! Sorry! (And please do consider changing it because I bet a lot of us find it distracting. smile )

As for the difficulty of op.49, I think that given a few months, I could do it justice. I cannot say that for about 40-50% of the Chopin etudes, by comparison.


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Originally Posted by asthecrowflies
i think few college applicants will have those under their belts!


You'd be surprised. wink

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Originally Posted by beet31425

I know what a meme is (both in the sense from a few years ago and the more recent Reddit-y sense), and I hate images in PW signatures, yours definitely included! Sorry! (And please do consider changing it because I bet a lot of us find it distracting. smile )

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I "dealt with it". Adblock to the rescue. Someone else used a cartoon in their signature that I blocked. You can alternatively turn signatures off in your user preferences.

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Originally Posted by asthecrowflies
I think the Fantasie is every bit as hard technically as most of his non-sonata long works.

Actually harder than most of those other pieces, IMO -- technically as well as musically.

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Perhaps not as difficult as the schubert and schumann fantasies....

At least as hard.

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Originally Posted by Joel_W
When college websites ask for "a romantic work demonstrating significant technical accomplishment" for part of an audition, would the F minor fantasie work, or are they looking for more difficult pieces?


Let's cut to the chase, okay, folks? Anyone asking this question is begging for compliments.

Right? I mean, really, he's saying, "I'm considering the F minor Fantasie. Do you think it's REALLY and truly hard enough and impressive enough for a college audition??"

Surely this student has a TEACHER who would advise him? Yes? Why not go there first for advice?

He's fishing. Perhaps, even trolling. The F minor Fantasie is big league stuff and we all know it. Any high school kid who could master this could get into any decent program. And any high school kid who has to ASK if it's impressive enough is a poseur.

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Originally Posted by Aldous
Let's cut to the chase, okay, folks? Anyone asking this question is begging for compliments.

I don't think so. Who knows, maybe you're right, but it doesn't give me that impression at all.

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He's fishing. Perhaps, even trolling. The F minor Fantasie is big league stuff and we all know it.

I guess that means you'd be surprised by the many other posters who've said it's not that hard.

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And any high school kid who has to ASK if it's impressive enough is a poseur.

Do you remember how you were in high school? grin

Be that as it may ha ....I first studied this piece when I was in college. After I just started it, I read that the piece was very hard (I still even remember the way it was put: "I know of no more difficult work...."), it surprised me, and I went and asked my teacher if it was really considered that hard.

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