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That extensive writing on the key looks interesting. Can you tell us what it says? It's too small to read in your photo.

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Originally Posted by Loren D
It most certainly has a cast iron frame. I can't imagine it withstanding any amount of tension without one.

My advice: stop now before you destroy it.

Don't be so sure. It's a "140 years old vertical french piano." Wouldn't surprise me at all if it didn't have an iron frame.

"Antique" importers brought thousands of old pianos into the U.S. during the 1970s and 1980s. Most of these were of English manufacture, but not all. I've also seen a few old German and French pianos over the years.

The main criteria for these pianos was that they have interesting, often quite beautiful, cabinetry. The people bringing them in had no knowledge of, or concern with, the interior works. The structural condition of the pianos did not matter. Nor did the condition of their actions, strings, pinblocks, etc. As long as they looked pretty they could be -- and were -- sold at a profit to gullible Americans.

Many, if not most, of these things were structurally deficient in several ways. Their designs were often, at best, marginal. Their transitional actions, while historically interesting (and sometimes significant) often had rather poor performance potential regardless the amount of time and effort poured into them.

You are quite right about its ability -- or lack thereof -- to withstand much tension. It is unlikely that any overstrung upright piano strung with anything remotely resembling a standard ("modern") stringing scale but lacking at least the rudiments of a metal frame is going to be capable of any long-term stability.

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Ah! Now I belatedly see the pictures.

It's not an overstrung scale -- it's flatstrung. That helps a little. It won't have the torsional stresses of the overstrung bass strings. Still, supporting all that string tension is going to be a problem.

You might be able to bring this thing up to what is now standard pitch (A = 440 Hz) but I wouldn't. Unless I was hopeful that it would self-destruct and save me the trouble of taking it apart before turning it into firewood. One reason why it has lasted so long is that it hasn't been tuned for ages.

If you're going to attempt to use this thing as a musical instrument -- and assuming you'd like to do so for more than a few weeks -- you'd be wise to tune it some flat.

At least the action looks workable.

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Hi guys! I just had a motorcycle accident (some dude missed a stop sign..) and i have a broken foot. I will be pausing this restoration until i can move again :S

I'm from Portugal by the way, so a french piano is not very far away from its country.
Action is all working now, and I already sanded all the outside panels and gave them a first coat of paint.

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macsoft,
Sorry to hear about your injury. Wishing you a fast and full recovery. Look forward to reading about the rest of your piano adventure. smile


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Thanks! I was in the middle of painting the piano, so i hope when the pain gets a little tolerable i can finish it before my cast comes off.

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Thanks! I was in the middle of painting the piano, so i hope when the pain gets a little tolerable i can finish it before my cast comes off.

Perhaps a little aguardiente could help with the pain. The paint job might not look so good later though...

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loool aguardente can surely make the pain go away, but so every feeling on your feet and hands smile

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Interesting!
The hammers look shot!! Below is the address of a firm in Paris that will refelt them.
Les Ateliers Desfouges
36 Rue de Panicale-Bat.
Colbert Park d'actives de la Verrier gave
78320 LA VERRIER FRANCE
Tel/Fax 00.33.1.30.49.96.95
I found them on the Internet - sorry but I do not know how to add their site to this post.
You could do what I did to worn hammers:
Take the hammer off the action c/w it's shaft and using some 200 grit sand paper, laid on a flat surface, reshape the eliptical shape of the front of the hammer.
Plainly this makes the hammer smaller but it does improove the sound.
Also you might cut strips of shamy leather (chamois), and keeping glue off the hammer felt, glue one end to the WOOD next to the shaft then pull the leather over the front of the hammer all the way round so as to glue it to the top of hammer on the WOOD.
Doing this after reshaping makes a softer sound and stops wear. I suppose one could use a cloth tape but I found the stretch in the shamy very helpfull .https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gifhelpful.https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gif

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Well that is interesting! I posted a question a couple of hours back asking why on my overstrung upright the base hammers are angled at about half the angle of the base strings.
An answer from DBD (ThankYou DBD) is, that although there is space between the hammers at rest, when a hammer moves forward its left hand side will contact the tip of the adjacent hammer.
Now it is plain from your photographs that all your piano's hammers are angled at the same angle as their corresponding strings, BUT the left hand tops of the felts has been shaved off!
My question is answered - very clearly !

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How are you going with your Erard paino repairs.
I'd really like to see more of your excellent photographs and hear of your progress??

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PLEASE do please tell us how you are getting along?
I for one asm absolutly fascinated.

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