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I'd like to say that I find the last part of this thread interesting.






But I can't. Come on guys ....

Mac, that's not very fair. All I'm saying is that I have consistently pointed out the strengths and weaknesses of both products.

Of course my ego is now telling me that if my ego is not welcome here then it could just find another avenue by which to secure world domination...

Yes, you made those points. They need not be repeated and repeated.

But you have repeated (and so has bennevis). So I have to agree with Dave Horne, above.

But this is the thing. When he writes something like "the AG is just the same as any CLP" or whatever it can't be left at that. Because it is a lie. In other circumstances I'd let it go as a mistake but he knows exactly what he is doing by making false statements like that. His entire stance is riddled with extreme bias. He is trying to negatively influence the perception of casual, occasional visitors to the forum. That is wrong and damaging. Someone has to set the record straight about that kind of thing. There is a principle at stake.

Has it come to this? Really? Are things so bad that people are now agreeing with me?

You guys really need to go drink a beer together. I'm sure bennevis could somehow manage to do it on UK soil.

He doesn't drink (need I say more?)

Then drink a soda

Ok, fine. Here are the facts:

The AG is based on the Schoenhut toy GRAND piano, not the Clavinova CLP line:


The V piano is based on the Schoenhut toy UPRIGHT piano, not the Roland super-naturals:


Both the AG and the V are truly terrible pianos. Avoid!

There, my two cents.

Mac, does either piano allow 'playing off the jack'?

No, but they both allow jacking off while playing. It's not necessarily recommended but I think it's possible.

Hmm, wouldn't an AG as a midi controller connected to V-Piano as a sound producer be a killer combination then? :-)

Killer plus: Get dewster to transplant the guts of a V piano into an AG. Grand action with V sounds.

Really? I would expect that the V does indeed play off the jack (inasmuch as such a thing is meaningful when there is no jack). Iits cousins the RD700NX and FP7F do, last I heard.

Or, how about transplanting a real Steinway "D" action into a V-Piano Grand?

Since the V-Grand already has "Steinway" sounds...

The V-Piano does.

I'd say more, but for the present (because I've got The Sound of Music to watch ), let's just say that I don't drink alcohol (rots the brain) or soda (rots the teeth). Tea and coffee suits me fine, and their caffeine helps my running (and all my other adventurous activities....).

As does the V-Piano.

Christmas. The death valley of decent television...

Veering further OT, I sat through 'Calamity Jane' when visiting relatives over Xmas

Why can't we get decent old movies on TV over Christmas/New Year, like 'A Song to Remember', based (very loosely) on the life of Chopin? The scene when he coughs blood from his tuberculous lungs onto the the white keys of the piano during a concert is truly melodramatic...

Why single out Christmas as the death valley of decent television?

More appropriate, I think: There is no such thing as decent television, save for the VERY rare oasis, always wished for, seldom delivered.