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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2006381
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I'd like to say that I find the last part of this thread interesting.






But I can't. Come on guys .... wink


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: MacMacMac] #2006382
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
This thread is no longer a discourse on pianos. It has become a clash of egos.


Mac, that's not very fair. All I'm saying is that I have consistently pointed out the strengths and weaknesses of both products.

Of course my ego is now telling me that if my ego is not welcome here then it could just find another avenue by which to secure world domination...


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2006406
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Yes, you made those points. They need not be repeated and repeated.

But you have repeated (and so has bennevis). So I have to agree with Dave Horne, above.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, you made those points. They need not be repeated and repeated.


But this is the thing. When he writes something like "the AG is just the same as any CLP" or whatever it can't be left at that. Because it is a lie. In other circumstances I'd let it go as a mistake but he knows exactly what he is doing by making false statements like that. His entire stance is riddled with extreme bias. He is trying to negatively influence the perception of casual, occasional visitors to the forum. That is wrong and damaging. Someone has to set the record straight about that kind of thing. There is a principle at stake.


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: MacMacMac] #2006425
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, you made those points. They need not be repeated and repeated.

But you have repeated (and so has bennevis). So I have to agree with Dave Horne, above.


Has it come to this? Really? Are things so bad that people are now agreeing with me? smile


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2006435
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You guys really need to go drink a beer together. I'm sure bennevis could somehow manage to do it on UK soil.

Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Gigantoad] #2006440
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Originally Posted by Gigantoad
You guys really need to go drink a beer together. I'm sure bennevis could somehow manage to do it on UK soil.


He doesn't drink (need I say more?)


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Then drink a soda laugh

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Ok, fine. Here are the facts:

The AG is based on the Schoenhut toy GRAND piano, not the Clavinova CLP line:
[Linked Image]

The V piano is based on the Schoenhut toy UPRIGHT piano, not the Roland super-naturals:
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Both the AG and the V are truly terrible pianos. Avoid!

There, my two cents. smile

Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2006468
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Mac, does either piano allow 'playing off the jack'?


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2006517
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No, but they both allow jacking off while playing. It's not necessarily recommended but I think it's possible.


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Karnevil] #2006554
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Originally Posted by Karnevil
I think we can all (well, most of us smile ) agree on that both the V-Piano and the AvantGrand are flawed in several ways, yet they are the best alternatives available in the digital piano market. Personally I prefer AvantGrand, because I enjoy the most realistic tactile response possible from my DP.

Hmm, wouldn't an AG as a midi controller connected to V-Piano as a sound producer be a killer combination then? :-)


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Killer plus: Get dewster to transplant the guts of a V piano into an AG. Grand action with V sounds.

Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: EssBrace] #2006847
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
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Really? I would expect that the V does indeed play off the jack (inasmuch as such a thing is meaningful when there is no jack). Iits cousins the RD700NX and FP7F do, last I heard.

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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: MacMacMac] #2006875
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Killer plus: Get dewster to transplant the guts of a V piano into an AG. Grand action with V sounds.


Or, how about transplanting a real Steinway "D" action into a V-Piano Grand?

Since the V-Grand already has "Steinway" sounds...

Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Kawai James] #2006972
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Mac, does either piano allow 'playing off the jack'?


The V-Piano does.

I'd say more, but for the present (because I've got The Sound of Music to watch wink ), let's just say that I don't drink alcohol (rots the brain) or soda (rots the teeth). Tea and coffee suits me fine, and their caffeine helps my running (and all my other adventurous activities....).

As does the V-Piano. grin


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Originally Posted by bennevis
I'd say more, but for the present (because I've got The Sound of Music to watch wink...


Christmas. The death valley of decent television...

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by bennevis
I'd say more, but for the present (because I've got The Sound of Music to watch wink...


Christmas. The death valley of decent television...

Veering further OT, I sat through 'Calamity Jane' when visiting relatives over Xmas mad

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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Originally Posted by EssBrace
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I'd say more, but for the present (because I've got The Sound of Music to watch wink...


Christmas. The death valley of decent television...

Veering further OT, I sat through 'Calamity Jane' when visiting relatives over Xmas mad


Why can't we get decent old movies on TV over Christmas/New Year, like 'A Song to Remember', based (very loosely) on the life of Chopin? The scene when he coughs blood from his tuberculous lungs onto the the white keys of the piano during a concert is truly melodramatic... grin


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Re: Avantgrand N1 - Glad I kept it! [Re: Susan_B] #2007057
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Why single out Christmas as the death valley of decent television?

More appropriate, I think: There is no such thing as decent television, save for the VERY rare oasis, always wished for, seldom delivered.

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