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I don't know...

As a composer I can transcribe plenty of things and transpose anything (thanks for the various instruments, clefs, etc) and I know my way around various clefs.

I'm also able to play a lot of songs (yes, songs, not classical works) in most keys a singer will require. That's easy, since I'm semi-improvising and transposing chords is fine.

But for classical works I've yet to try it. See for easier works perhaps it's possible, but I can't imagine someone playing the waldstein sonata in Bb instead of C. That would make things... well... tricky at best. And the same thing applies to a Bach fugue as well: It something works in a key, and the piano, it doesn't seem entirely impossible that it will work on any given key. At least not on the fly, but with lots of work... :-/

So transposing yes, I think it's possible, but performing it as well seems another story to me. Opinions?

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Originally Posted by ando
. . . I can confirm this. A C clef can be placed on any line of a staff. So yes, 5 C clefs

{{ EDIT: }} Never mind, ChopinAddict's post above has it.

Now I am genuinely interested. I do not believe I have ever encountered anything but the "alto" and "tenor" versions of these. Other than the theoretical capability of being placed on any line, could you site any actual instances of "the other three" from scores?
Are you aware of how they are commonly called? ("Mezzo", "Baritone", whatever)

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The soprano clef - C on the bottom line - is very common. You can still see it in some Bach and Mozart vocal music and other things. Quite uncommon are the mezzo soprano clef - C 2nd bottom line, and the Baritone clef which I have never seen as a C clef but rather as an F clef on the middle line (the notes reading exactly the same as if it were a C clef on the top line). For score reading renaissance vocal music and Bach Art of Fugue treble, soprano, alto, tenor and bass clefs are essential. A working knowledge of these clefs is sufficient for just about any orchestral score-reading transpositions - leaving horns in F and cor anglais to be worked out.


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Good evening. My daughter, who is twelve, is familiar with the Ando's seven French clefs: sol 2nd line, fa 4th line, fa 3rd line, ut 4th line (tenor), ut 3rd line (alto), ut 1st line (soprano), ut 2nd line. This is typical French solfege material.

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i must not be very talented. Perhaps i could transpose the one in C.


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Originally Posted by apple*
i must not be very talented. Perhaps i could transpose the one in C.


If you had been trained to transpose early on and had practiced it assiduously, you could. It's not so much talent as training, IMO. But of course, I'd guess that talent would affect ability to transpose just like anything else.

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