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#2031819 - 02/12/13 01:41 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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A little more Wayne Shorter. This is pretty much the style of the first part of the concert I saw.



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#2031868 - 02/12/13 02:59 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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jazzwee, the deal is: WHEREAS you improved significantly (once again) .. smile .. your lines are more to the point and rhey're going somewhere. your LH comping is supportive of your right hand AND your're playing right into the time. so you're making it easier for your bass player and drummer to come together with you. and WHEREAS you posted for all to hear , well it's RESOLVED that you should have feedback!

very nice playing ... i smiled while listening smile




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Originally Posted by printer1
jazzwee, the deal is: WHEREAS you improved significantly (once again) .. smile .. your lines are more to the point and rhey're going somewhere. your LH comping is supportive of your right hand AND your're playing right into the time. so you're making it easier for your bass player and drummer to come together with you. and WHEREAS you posted for all to hear , well it's RESOLVED that you should have feedback!

very nice playing ... i smiled while listening smile



I do appreciate the more specific comments. Thanks for that. My point to posting is always to create a practice "task" list (in case someone thinks I'm seeking compliments). I read the subtext in there too and do understand where I need to make more progress. But I do feel like some change is happening and thanks for noticing.



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#2032279 - 02/13/13 06:31 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hey JW
I enjoyed your Stella too. After a chorus, you had warmed up and your lines were very nice, they were varied in length and had nice endings.

Thanks for the Wayne Shorter vid. I think the quartet is very inventive and brave to experiment like that.

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#2032538 - 02/13/13 04:32 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Thank you custard! A big chunk of the improvement can be attributed to Dave Frank! (Thanks Dave). More to do but at least there's some direction.


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#2032607 - 02/13/13 06:57 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi Jazzwee baby, keep swingin sounding great man!

#2032614 - 02/13/13 07:13 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: davefrank]  
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Originally Posted by davefrank
Hi Jazzwee baby, keep swingin sounding great man!


Right on Bro'! You're the man! (You all take lessons from this guy).



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#2032649 - 02/13/13 08:19 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Wait, let me check...hey, YOU'RE RIGHT!

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#2032658 - 02/13/13 08:26 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: davefrank]  
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Originally Posted by davefrank
Wait, let me check...hey, YOU'RE RIGHT!

DF


LOL - btw - when I was just playing and not recording, I was playing much better. I turn on the recorder and I see a 50% drop and I can hear the hesitations.

But I guess that's the way it is. I've got to be at 150% so I can spare the 50% for stress smile


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#2032671 - 02/13/13 08:42 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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That's a variation of the lesson factor..it's normal to play worse at a lesson than after a coupla schnopps alone with your cat at home..same with recording. Most recording sessions have a trajectory so that you will hit your good peak if you give it some time..that stuff about the first take never took for me..

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Once when I was a wee (haha) lad of 16, Lennie Tristano did this to me at a lesson - he said "ok, you're in Yankee Stadium, and there are 70,000 screaming fans, and you got ONE chorus to say everything...GO!"

I flubbed it pretty good, then he said "that was ok. But you can't say to the crowd "You shoudda heard me yesterday.."

He was the greatest)

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#2032681 - 02/13/13 08:58 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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HAHAHA! Great story! I should tell myself that on the first take. Then by the second take, the pressure is off.

Usually, when I record for this forum, I do only one take (as I did here). Then I presume it's the worst I can do. Oddly enough, often it's not bad.

Interesting how it applies to jazz because it does take awhile to get the stuff happening in our brains. To have solos that have a direction requires a lot of concentration. And at least for me, I can't predict how it will go. Maybe after playing certain tunes for awhile, one has some standard starting points and that triggers some direction.

At a gig, I'm often influenced by the one that did the solo right before me. Lately, I find that it's good to pull back for awhile, play some block chords and not do much on the first chorus and it seems to take away the stress. I did that on an Inner Urge recording I posted earlier.

If I listen to Brad Mehldau, it sounds like he has a formula. First chorus -- alter the melody slightly, then gradually head out to a separate direction from the melody, then do a massive amount of sixteenths, then last chorus simplify again. A bit structured but it must at least generate some consistency for him.



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#2032689 - 02/13/13 09:06 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: davefrank]  
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Originally Posted by davefrank
Once when I was a wee (haha) lad of 16, Lennie Tristano did this to me at a lesson - he said "ok, you're in Yankee Stadium, and there are 70,000 screaming fans, and you got ONE chorus to say everything...GO!"

I flubbed it pretty good, then he said "that was ok. But you can't say to the crowd "You shoudda heard me yesterday.."

He was the greatest)

DF


Which is more scary though - playing in front of 70000 or playing in front of just Lennie Tristano?
I played with some great players and it freaked me out more than any concert ever did.

It seems that great players are always on their game but I expect they have good days and bad days like the rest of us. Probably just their bad days are still amazingly good.

#2032941 - 02/14/13 11:37 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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What I play at a gig and in a lesson is radically different. When I play at a gig, I close my eyes and just try to enjoy the music. Sometimes that leads to utter crap, sometimes some creative stuff, but I just play what FEELS good, not what meets some standard such as "did I use a creative scale over that V-I." Then, in a lesson, I feel like I've got to try to play "proper jazz," meaning that I need to use some scale or technique that we're working on. It's sooo different. I don't think this is a problem because it's good to work on stuff in lessons, which hopefully makes it way into gig playing. I do learn things that come out as feeling good. What I need to do is record something at a gig and let my teacher hear it, but unlike jazzwee, who seems to record his every note, I have yet to record a gig.

#2033047 - 02/14/13 02:20 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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I like to record gigs so then I get to see the problems but only after. During the gig, I'm not thinking of what I'm playing either. I can't anyway because things are just so fluid. My rhythm section will change things around and I've got to react to the moment.

I figure though that my failings at a gig show what isn't in the subconscious. For example, if I start to rush, often it means I'm distracted and then I try to figure out what the distraction is.

One example is that sometimes the rhythm section will make the time so unclear. Back in the old days, I would force myself in an "declare" my position in the form. Now I just hold back. One time, the bass player did Dolphin Dance in Latin and I just STOPPED playing for the whole chorus. And told them to swing it.

I'm glad I'm more relaxed about it now. Watching Wayne Shorter really gives me a good sense of that. Often he will not play anything for many bars. He doesn't just play for the sake of playing. I realize now that space doesn't hurt and if it gives time to settle the nerves and clarify something about one is playing, then it's better than blindly playing.




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#2033516 - 02/15/13 04:27 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Valentine's Gig...

Solar - uptempo
https://www.box.com/s/ygf6jucuydt1gcoe0yar

Con Alma -- my first try. My goal was just to survive. Too many notes, not enough content.
https://www.box.com/s/k8hnfiow6jglcjbvkj07

Footprints -- quite uptempo. 220-230? Tough!
https://www.box.com/s/vo21um7ocicropxvyv7g

I hope you guys post your music too. This is not about me, but about sharing what's going on in our musical journey.

BTW - this was an amazing gig. I got offers to do more gigs and these fans are coming back every month. So they're having good time. Place was packed. Standing room only and reservations for most spots. Last year, Feb 14 was empty (no band). So the owner knows we are the draw. Kinda nice. As a musician it's a good feeling to get a responsive crowd. They're not judging if our solos are perfect but just to the overall feel. But these are real jazz fans. It was advertised specifically as jazz.








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#2034568 - 02/17/13 03:41 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Some gigs aren't too hot and tonight was one of those. Small crowd so we didn't really get into the mood. So I didn't play Con Alma as planned.


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#2035291 - 02/18/13 02:49 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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#2047004 - 03/12/13 01:52 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Going through a Herbie Hancock period, albeit brief, especially the early stuff:


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Sorry but I just have to share this, Jarrett (21) with Charles Lloyd, oh oh oh . . .

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Originally Posted by chrisbell
Going through a Herbie Hancock period, albeit brief, especially the early stuff:



Like.
Haven't heard anything quite like that before.
Bassist was awesome too.

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I have been having fun practicing the double bass and making new backing tracks. Here is one to try ...

Falling in love with love, in F, 8 bars in, downlaod it from ....

http://www.divshare.com/download/23865688-758

And here is me playing over the backing just for practice …

http://www.divshare.com/download/23865693-9b8

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Originally Posted by beeboss
I have been having fun practicing the double bass and making new backing tracks. Here is one to try ...

And here is me playing over the backing just for practice …
Nice BB. Really nice!

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Thanks Chris

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It starts out very simple, then gets a little harder. It's a basic scale vs LH exercise I wrote for a beginner student of mine, combining a be-bop scale with basic LH chords.
Of course you guys should do it in all the keys . . and any permutations you desire. smile
Get it here

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...btw I'm not around so often. Life got in the way. I've got issues to deal with so keep it going without me.


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#2049183 - 03/16/13 02:46 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Saw Brian Blade's Fellowship band last night. Fantastic show; they are one intense band. The keyboard player, John Cowherd, is an interesting fellow. He composes half of the group's tunes and plays with a lot of diverse groups, including Rosanne Cash. He doesn't play a lot of notes, odd harmonies, or try to show amazing chops. Plays very sparingly, yet he keeps you riveted.

Brian Blade is probably best known as the drummer for Wayne Shorter's current band. Personally, I find that group almost unlistenable (don't mean to offend those on here who are fans), but Brian Blade's drumming is stupendous in this group. As interesting and creative a drummer as I've ever hear.

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Just had to post this...gig tonight. Listen to the singer. Really glad to be hanging out with such quality cats.

Softly as in the Morning Sunrise
https://www.box.com/s/iwp536u5k0xxw6bcmanx

Girl from Ipanema
https://www.box.com/s/wh3zm3eyua5puiol9if6

Now as far as my playing, I'll post this.

Giant Steps
https://www.box.com/s/vhw1fc19jvkv45la7vk4

Risky doing Giant Steps at a gig but turned out ok.

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#2052350 - 03/22/13 09:04 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Great singer, that must have been a lot of fun.

See, I always thought female singers sang "the boy from Ipanema" smile

[video:youtube]MZjLz6o7uZM[/video]

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Bebo Valdés RIP
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2013/03/22/175080694/bebo-vald-s-giant-of-cuban-music-is-dead

Bebo was a gentleman. An elegant, succinct and very cool pianist (he lived not far from where I live). He will be missed.

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