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#1995478 - 12/06/12 02:53 PM Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187  
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Hi, i have been pianoshopping for quite a while and I have narrowed my options to two pianos. One is a 1980 Yamaha C7. It has two pedals, so I assume it is grey market. It's in original, yet quite good condition. It has some minor scratches etc. of course, but it looks like it was played very mildly, the action is nice and even, but i think the hammers need some reshaping if not replacing. The sound is warm, mellow, not overpowering (probably because of the hammers, I saw a photo from its previous home, and they had it in a very small room).

The other piano is a brand new Wilh.Steinberg P-187. It is basically the same piano as the Brodmann 187, but i suppose it has a different action. They say it has a Flemming action. I looked it up and Flemming is a brand name owned by Wilh.Steinberg, so i think it is just a glorified name for the Chinese action.

The asking price on the Yamaha is slightly higher (about 10%) and I really like the idea of having a 7"+ feet grand. It is really a different world. I would like to know your opinions what investments might catch up on me in the next few years on a 30+y piano and I am aslo interested in your experiences with the Chinese pianos, Brodmann and Wilh.Steinberg. Thanks smile

Oh, and I almost forgot. I am a piano student (master), so the piano will be pounded 6hrs a day when i am home wink

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#1995498 - 12/06/12 03:24 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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I teach on a couple of 25-30 year old C7's at a college where they get a lot of pounding and they hold up well. They certainly define the term 'workhorse'
You really can't go wrong with a C7--presuming its been given a clean bill of health from a technician. Also dont underestimate the impact of some voicing and regulating on a piano that age. It's amazing how much the sound can be warmed up with voicing and the action can be 'tightened' with a regulation.
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#1995519 - 12/06/12 04:40 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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Welcome to the Piano World Forums!

I reckon I’m a little bias here, but I second AJF’s comments about the C7. I have an older C7 (1978 made for USA market) and I absolutely love it. The low bass will make your mouth water and the upper treble will bark loud enough to get your attention; even the C8 note is clear and recognizable. The action is smooth and quick. The instrument far exceeds my meager playing skills.

Thing is, when I’m playing it, I have the perception that I can really play a piano. smile

Good luck.

Rick


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#1995520 - 12/06/12 04:40 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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C7 all the way. 6hrs a day is far too much for most pianos, but the Yamahas can take it. The Steinberg/Brodmann may sound a bit sweeter now, but it will never have the bass a C7 has, and most likely it will need more regulation the more you play it.
Also, I remember another thread about a bar that had a Brodmann in it that continually had broken strings. If you're a heavy player this might be a consideration.


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#1995525 - 12/06/12 04:46 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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yamahas in general are workhorses; lots of highly qualified pianists (teachers and/or performers) have yamahas at home and perform on steinways in public.

#1995586 - 12/06/12 06:59 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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There's something about a 7+ foot piano that a mere 6 footer can't do. Get the C7 evaluated by a tech and if it passes don't look back. Nothing against the Steinberg, but the extra foot and a half will make a huge difference. I don't have a crystal ball, but I see a C7 in your future.

#1995600 - 12/06/12 07:30 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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Why not try a 7'Brodmann and then compare again?

Apples to apples....

Norbert


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#1995607 - 12/06/12 07:50 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: Norbert]  
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Thank you very much for all of your replies. Norbert, you are right about comparing with a similar size piano, but a new Steinberg 212 is out of my budget. As I am looking at the prices right now, the difference between 187 and 212 is more than 5k euros.

#1995609 - 12/06/12 08:00 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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petzzo:

As an as highly advanced pianist as you are, it should be us seeking your advice rather than the other way around....

Norbert grin

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#1995676 - 12/06/12 11:31 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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Go with the yamaha. It is a known quantity. The Chinese piano is not. The scale design, the bass response and the tuning stability are proven and will stand up to your use and reward your efforts.


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#1995904 - 12/07/12 12:09 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: JazzPianoOnline]  
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Originally Posted by JazzPianoOnline
Go with the yamaha. It is a known quantity. The Chinese piano is not. The scale design, the bass response and the tuning stability are proven and will stand up to your use and reward your efforts.

+1

#1996170 - 12/07/12 11:21 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: petzzo]  
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Since you've done a lot of shopping already, get a trusted independent tech to check the used C7 and give you an estimate of what it might need in the short and long term.
If the tech gives it a thumbs up, then buy what you love. If you're gonna spend 6 hours a day practicing, the piano you buy should sound wonderful to you, stand up to the wear, and be affordable to maintain.

Best of luck and congratlations on achieving your level of piano proficiency!


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#1996397 - 12/08/12 01:56 PM Re: Yamaha C7 vs. Wilh.Steinberg 187 [Re: xentis]  
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there you both know, deep information and at the same time concise and precise, what advice!


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