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#1995445 - 12/06/12 01:51 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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"Rather than try an online forum, I'd ask the kid's teacher."

Probably the wisest course of action.


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#2584320 - 11/04/16 09:50 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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I signed up for this forum to offer feedback about Tim Praskins. Short version - he is legit, and I am very happy with the Kawai ES8 I bought from him, and got a good deal on it.
Longer -- yes he is a salesman. I would say that he does like Casios a good bit, but I was not pushed toward a Casio. While his blog is not pure in the sense of being unconnected to selling pianos, his reviews are thoughtful and helped me, as someone who could not possibly play all the pianos in question. Where his reviews were most helpful was allowing me to sort out the style and price range that would best fit my family -- ie, 3 young kids getting ready to start piano lessons and want something high quality but cheaper than a decent upright, and space efficient.
Also, he is, somehow, able to offer really good prices. I don't think anywhere else would have beaten, maybe not even matched, the deal I got.
He and his son both responded quickly by email and were also available by phone, including helping me when I had a dumb question while setting up the instrument.
I had never heard of Tim or his website before digital piano shopping and have no personal connection to him. Just putting in my 2 cents.

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#2584325 - 11/04/16 10:09 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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On more than one occasion, I've noticed that Tim Praskins isn't always liked very well on this forum, specifically because he's a salesman.

I've read his reviews when looking for a stage piano, and later a digital upright piano. He uses some hyperboles such as "Best digital piano under $2000" and such, and he describes things as he sees them, or even as he sees fit.

That doesn't bother me; every salesman does. Even the one where I bought my piano's, in The Netherlands.

What Tim Praskins DOES do, is describe most, if not all, capabilities of an instrument and he points out things he likes and doesn't like, and why, which is a nice addition to reading the manual. I made note of such things, and used them while testing; some things he liked I didn't like, and some things he didn't like did not bother me.

As with every review, I do the following:
- I pick out the facts for each instrument
- I line up the things the reviewer likes or doesn't like
- I do that with 5 or 6 different reviews, for each instrument I'm interested in

And then I go have a look for myself, exactly knowing what I'm going to look for, and what I'll be testing in which way. Then, and only then will I make my decision.

Use the reviews as educational material (discarding the sales crap), not to make your purchasing decision, and you'll be fine. Never buy something as big as a digital piano blindly, based on reviews only.

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#2584331 - 11/04/16 10:36 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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Tim Praskins's advice for low end to high middle market digital pianos is the same as the advice that tends to have been given here over the last five years: go for Casio if you're wanting a good instrument for as little as possible. If you can afford more, go for Kawai.

So by design or coincidence, he seems in line with the impartial.


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#2584361 - 11/04/16 11:59 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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Originally Posted by solahaji
I called lots of stores and each one told me that Casio is inferior to Yamaha,Roland, Kawai, Kurzweil etc. I am very confused.

I emailed Tim Praskins a couple of times asking him which piano to choose from a choice of models and he always points out that Casio is the best, even when other posts on this forum contradict him.


Though I don't doubt your sincerity, one risk of the way you posed your question is that responses may conflate feelings about Tim Praskins (or salesmen in general) with support for the idea that Tim says "Casio is the best". Whether Casio is the solid and one's feelings about a salesmen are two different questions, deserving separate consideration.

Also, from a quick skim of Praskins site, I see that he claims Casio now is a price leader with lower priced pianos, but he seems to shift to other brands with more expensive price range (Kawai). I am as suspicious salesmen as the next guy, I would be concerned someone who posts on the internet is not representing others correctly.

Third, I am not certain this forum is represented accurately in your post. Musical instruments are extremely subjective. For instance, I don't own a Yamaha, but I understand why people on this forum prefer that brand. Most people on this forum who review pianos don't say one is "the best for everyone", but they do articulate why it is the best "for their tastes or needs" in their posts. There is less dogma on this forum than your post suggests.

In my opinion, Casio as an option for lower priced pianos is VERY valid. Also, their upper end digital pianos (like GP-500) are making a lot of ground, even using samples from other grands. I had a toy Casio as a child, and it is hard to get that image out of a Casio as a toy out of my head, but I am pleased to see Casio providing more competition and products. I would hate to see a question phrased in a way that makes support for salesmen or a salesman conflated with Casio's progress (or any company).

I wish you well in your search. My suggestion -- and the one you will see most on this forum -- is that trying a piano is the best route to getting the best one for you. That makes sense for many products and life decisions (from marriage to careers), not just pianos.



#2584372 - 11/04/16 12:30 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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Manufacturers have a book price that dealers can't list below in print, but they can sell a piano one-to-one as low as they'd like to go. This is how Tim can sell the pianos he represents at lower prices than you ever see online. Some online dealers get around that with the "add this item to your cart to see the price" routine or pile on a bunch of extras while somehow keeping the whole package at list price. Tim seems like a good guy - I'd probably contact him if I'm ever looking for one of the brands he sells.

#2584456 - 11/04/16 04:14 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: Tim P]  
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Originally Posted by Tim P
Scooby Hoo (and others who may not have noticed) - This is a four year old thread...


I didn't notice! Thanks.

#2670180 - 08/24/17 03:21 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: dskeys]  
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A short time ago I ended up here in Piano World looking for an informed opinion regarding Tim Praskins. I was hoping to learn whether Tim was a reliable source for keyboards.

I knew about Praskins only by reading his reviews of digital pianos at "AZ Piano Reviews." Compared to reviews I found elsewhere, I found Tim's information to be extraordinarily thorough and informative. While his writing may occasionally come up wanting in terms of professional gloss, I actually found that aspect of his work to be reassuring. His reviews seem more authentic than most, like they're the considered opinions of a piano aficionado, and not the canned spiel of of some guy assigned by his editor to whip up an article on digital pianos.

Anyway, I finally decided to contact the guy and see if the claim that he frequently makes within his reviews - namely, that he can get you the piano of your choice at the lowest price around - had any merit. Turns out it does. In quick order he, 1) consulted with me a bit about the couple of pianos I was considering, 2) answered a couple of follow-up questions, and then, per my request, 3) offered me a price on my piano (Kawai es110) that was 10% less than I could find anywhere else.

The process of ordering was a little unconventional (because he's essentially a wholesaler, I believe, not a retailer), but things ended up going very smoothly and I had a brand new keyboard on my doorstep within a week.

So whether you're comfortable with a somewhat different way of buying a piano in order to save some cash is a call you'll need to make for yourself. As for me, I'm very satisfied with the service Tim Praskins provided, and I have no reason whatsoever to believe that there is any skulduggery going on here. Just a guy making a small profit on the items he sells, and saving buyers a considerable sum at the same time.

#2670194 - 08/24/17 06:09 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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I don`t think that blog of Tim Praskins is bad no matter if he working for Casio or not. There are lots of useful information about digital pianos and reading lots of forums, blogs etc and trough lots of digital pianos in my hand, my opinion is that you can find really good informations about it on his site and most of them are valid and ok. Of course, it is always better to read more sites, opinions, and then to try for yourself. Any site that give review about some product has one way or the other some interest to do it, and you can always find subjective informations about some piano. Can you give your 100% trust to anybody`s opinion on internet, even here on forum ? No, of course, we all have more or less different opinions and reasons for that, but more opinions no matter reason leads to more angles and that leads to more knowledge about some topic. I wish there are more sites similar to his site no matter if they little more promote casio or yamaha or roland etc, but unfortunately there are not so many. Most of them are stores with official data or sites where they give review about lots of products including digital pianos. I love to read them all because I love pianos.

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#2670199 - 08/24/17 07:21 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: slobajudge]  
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Originally Posted by slobajudge
I don`t think that blog of Tim Praskins is bad no matter if he working for Casio or not.

Tim Praskins still insists on Roland FP-30 being out of tune! It's a direct competitor of Casio PX-160 and Kawai ES-110 which he sells.

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#2670203 - 08/24/17 08:09 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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He's a salesman masquerading as an independent advisor. Not an honourable business practice at all in my opinion.

#2670207 - 08/24/17 09:10 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: JoniD]  
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Originally Posted by slobajudge
I don`t think that blog of Tim Praskins is bad no matter if he working for Casio or not.

Tim Praskins still insists on Roland FP-30 being out of tune! It's a direct competitor of Casio PX-160 and Kawai ES-110 which he sells.

On every site where talking about pianos we can find something that we don`t like. Are you believe in everything they told you ? I don`t know is Roland fp30 out of tune or not, I said that you can find lots of information about digital pianos. Most of them are ok. I dont think I wiil stop to read all reviews because of that. There are many reviews there in one place and I love to read them. I don`t create opinion based only on one site, in fact if is not in my hand I will not create at all but some presumptions. If he said that Roland fp30 is out of tune but he also said all other good things about it and this is the case here, I will investigate if I want this piano. If not, I don`t bother. You sound like you know that man personally and you know that he sells Casio and Kawai or you have presumptions ? I always try to avoid direct qualifications about something that is not in front of my eyes. We living in the world where people for top high end product said `incredible` and some of them `garbage` for the same product and who we believe ? If is out of reach, then we read more about it, right ? Just to be sure more.
And for the record, I dont think that Roland fp30 is out of tune. This is my presumption. When I hear `out of tune` for me it means you can hear without doubt that is not in tune and then I imagine workers in Roland to first sampling beer and then piano smile hehe, I don`t think so.

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#2670210 - 08/24/17 09:29 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: slobajudge]  
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Originally Posted by slobajudge
You sound like you know that man personally and you know that he sells Casio and Kawai or you have presumptions ?

It's stated on his main page - "Arizona Piano Wholesale. We specialize in Digital Pianos and will help you get the right one for LOWER PRICES than internet, Amazon, store, or bundle pricing."

UPD Here's the information about Arizona Piano Wholesale.
https://bizstanding.com/directory/AZ/AR/1299/
Arizona Piano Wholesale also is in Kawai dealer list:
http://www.kawaius.com/dealer_locator/pro_locator.html
And here it is in Casio dealers list
http://www.casiomusicgear.com/where-to-buy


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#2670212 - 08/24/17 09:36 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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Oh right JoniD, you won, now we find that what are we going to do with iiiiit ? smile Little joke, don`t be angry, can`t resist, sorry.

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#2670214 - 08/24/17 09:54 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: EssBrace]  
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Precisely.
Originally Posted by EssBrace
He's a salesman masquerading as an independent advisor. Not an honourable business practice at all in my opinion.

#2670220 - 08/24/17 10:47 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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In this day of fake news, one must expect non-vetted, non-peer reviewed sights to have a bias. Perhaps some of you have been a little harsh and some a little too supportive. But in Internet Land I have seen much worse and some better sites. We all vote with our money and in the end that really says what you think about a product or site. As far as Casio goes, Show me a machine at even twice the price of a PX-5s that can do what it can do. Yes the 560 has a nice screen, but I use mine in a "studio" and can see the Casio PC program on a 4K screen and TV - makes it pretty easy to use. Casio is a price/value leader and anyone who says differently is a sophist or ignorant IMHO.

In the end it takes work and luck to find the right piano, some get it right the first time and others search for longer, but in end it is a personal opinion (and including mine) these are only opinions and you should really in final analysis only care about how you feel and find enjoyment in the DP you buy. Why so much acrimony over a dealers web site? Buyer beware is even more important on the net.

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#2670255 - 08/24/17 01:47 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: Falsch]  
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I read Praskins' reviews about middle-to-high-end digital pianos a couple years ago, when I was choosing one for myself for practicing silently. And, to be honest, I noticed no bias. His reviews were helpful enough, very detailed, his recommendations were well explained, and his conclusions about action and sound were more or less close to mine. I wrote a letter to him with a small question, but he never responded. Aside from this fact, I have nothing bad to say about him.

Originally Posted by Falsch
Use the reviews as educational material (discarding the sales crap), not to make your purchasing decision, and you'll be fine. Never buy something as big as a digital piano blindly, based on reviews only.

+1.

#2670276 - 08/24/17 02:59 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: JoniD]  
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As far as I remember he has provided instructions how to reproduce the issue...
Have you tried to follow the instructions?


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#2670285 - 08/24/17 03:34 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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I've bought 2 pianos/keyboards from Tim. First I bought a Kawai ES8. The price was better than anywhere else I looked and the transaction was smooth. I was so pleased with the service that I purchased a Casio MZ-X500 (for a friend), and again, the transaction was seamless.

I stumbled across Tim's website by searching around on the internet and found his reviews to be informative. I don't think he is disingenuous in anyway. As consumers we should be smart enough to make reasoned decisions based on accurate information that is readily available from numerous sources. I'm looking forward to purchasing a Kawai MP12 from Tim when they become available (unless I can find it cheaper somewhere else).

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#2670286 - 08/24/17 03:37 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: Jasper E.]  
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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
As far as I remember he has provided instructions how to reproduce the issue...
Have you tried to follow the instructions?

AFAIK apart from his words he hasn't yet provided any evidence.

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Originally Posted by JoniD
Originally Posted by Jasper E.
As far as I remember he has provided instructions how to reproduce the issue...
Have you tried to follow the instructions?

AFAIK apart from his words he hasn't yet provided any evidence.


I have found what I meant. Unfortunately not exact chords but more than nothing, and could be enough to find pieces where it could be an issue:
"primarily about the relationship between notes in the bass section and the middle to upper octaves and it definitely sounds like there are note and chord combinations which are noticeably sharp on the upper notes of the chord combinations"


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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
I have found what I meant. Unfortunately not exact chords but more than nothing, and could be enough to find pieces where it could be an issue:
"primarily about the relationship between notes in the bass section and the middle to upper octaves and it definitely sounds like there are note and chord combinations which are noticeably sharp on the upper notes of the chord combinations"

This has been discussed many times - it's just stretch tuning. It doesn't mean that the piano is out of tune.
UPD You can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_acoustics#The_Railsback_curve
and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning

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Originally Posted by JoniD
Originally Posted by Jasper E.
I have found what I meant. Unfortunately not exact chords but more than nothing, and could be enough to find pieces where it could be an issue:
"primarily about the relationship between notes in the bass section and the middle to upper octaves and it definitely sounds like there are note and chord combinations which are noticeably sharp on the upper notes of the chord combinations"

This has been discussed many times - it's just stretch tuning. It doesn't mean that the piano is out of tune.
UPD You can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_acoustics#The_Railsback_curve
and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning


As far as I understand, Tim Praskins says this stretch tuning is far too agressive on FP-30, especially on the mid-high and high octaves... and it can be clear for anyone reading his review. For me the reactions on his review sounds like a battle on terminology only -- and no ones seems to reply on his claim itself: far too aggressive stretch tuning. I would welcome "peer-reviews" on the claim itself and not only on the terminology.


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#2670390 - 08/25/17 04:39 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: Jasper E.]  
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Originally Posted by Jasper E.

As far as I understand, Tim Praskins says this stretch tuning is far too agressive on FP-30, especially on the mid-high and high octaves... and it can be clear for anyone reading his review. For me the reactions on his review sounds like a battle on terminology only -- and no ones seems to reply on his claim itself: far too aggressive stretch tuning. I would welcome "peer-reviews" on the claim itself and not only on the terminology.

He's constantly changing the text - I've read many version of his article. First it was recommended, then suddenly it became out of tune and not recommended, then it became semi-recommended , later the text about overly done stretch tuning appeared and the piano got 'recommended' sign again. Anyway, no evidence that the tuning falls outside Railsback curve has been given. Roland's representative confirmed that the same tuning was used by Roland in their previous pianos. It might sound somewhat harsh with certain intervals to a person used to the equal tuning but many acoustic pianos has been tuned that way. A person with more than 40 years of experience should have known this.

UPD The version of 2016, March 2nd had no claims about the piano being out of tune. It was added later.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160302080226/https://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2016/01/Roland-FP30-REVIEW-Digital-Piano-Portable-lowest-price-piano-review.html
Unfortunately, the span between snapshot is too large.

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I have not heard about that confirmation -- and actually I could not find anything by searching the net.
So you might know far more than most people on the internet.


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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
I have not heard about that confirmation -- and actually I could not find anything by searching the net.
So you might know far more than most people on the internet.

Here's the post of JayGVan (Jay Roland in the past), former employee of Roland.
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2542991/re-roland-fp-30.html#Post2542991

#2670406 - 08/25/17 07:28 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: JoniD]  
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I wonder why Google did not find this for me... Who knows. I got a few results only and this was not among them.
Thanks.
I have found Pablo Woiz has done an analysis on the stretch tuning: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2540983/re-roland-fp-30.html#Post2540983 -- and it is exactly what I was missing before.


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I used Tim's site extensively and e-mailed him a bunch when looking for pianos. He doesn't just push Casios. In general, if it's a Casio or an online product (doesn't matter if it's Kawai or Roland or Yamaha for that matter) he's able to source it and sell it. If it's an in person dealer only product then it's hit or miss. In our case he lined up a Roland dealer/distributor for us to buy from but they apparently got cold feet at the last minute.

#2670780 - 08/27/17 12:30 AM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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As for Casios there are Casios and there are Casios. If it were up to me, I might have gone with the Casio GP400, which uses hammer-sensor "hybrid" technology in the same way the Yamaha hybrids do.

#2671402 - 08/29/17 08:05 PM Re: Tim Praskins Casio pianos [Re: solahaji]  
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Tim Praskins runs his blog, in my humble opinion, very professionally. I believe he is an expert, and unbiased.

My experience with him, his son, and his blog thru a couple of phone calls helped me obtain a Casio PX360 at a very reasonable price. This keyboard was picked a year and a half ago over the Kawai ES100, MP7, Yammer 255, and one or two others. This was done under his guidance. In no way did he push, persuade, or speak poorly of any other instrument.

Praskins son Eric answered my questions, focused my search from ES7's and MP7's to $800 to 1200 dollar instruments, and encouraged me to play a few at local music stores including a Yamaha dealer. I was very appreciative of his advice, blog, and advice.

As far as the casio, I love it!!! Is it an MP11, ES8, Clav 585? No. What it is is a very, very good digital piano. I needed headphone capable, OK sound and better then average action with plug and play capabilities for VST and modelled sounds, and ease of use. It fit the bill. And yes, I was very concerned about Casio name as I did not know they made high end musical instruments when I began my search for a digital piano. They do.

Pianomanchuck also helped

Thanks to both Praskins and pianomanchuck,

PS Next instrument will prob be ES8 or family in another year or two.


Too many sheet music titles I'll never play, but I keep adding to the pile!

Formal lessons (6 Ft SCHIMMEL Grand), intermediate
Cable Nelson Vertical (CN 116), Casio PX360, Technics, Pianoteq
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