Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
153 registered members (Almaviva, ajames, ando, agraffe, 39 invisible), 1,575 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#1993275 - 12/01/12 05:38 PM First Time Affordable Piano Purchase (Young Chang/Weber)  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2
sc_live Offline
Junior Member
sc_live  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2
Hello - I've been an anonymous follower of this forum for some time but am finally serious about purchasing my first piano. I played for around 20 yrs but not in the last 10. Now I have two children and want to keep music alive in the home.

I started out thinking about purchasing a used Kawai grand piano for $6-8K. I had a Kawai growing up and found it an excellent instrument. Based on information I have gathered, this should be enough to purchase a ~1980 Kawai or Yamaha of Japanese manufacture.

I have been two stores (and numerous private parties) and found few things:
1) It isn't clear that the 1970s and 1980s Kawai or Yamaha's have held up tremendously well based on the condition of the instruments I have seen.
2) Two independent dealers have both HIGHLY recommended the new Del Fandrich Young Change/Weber designs.
3) I like the tone and feel of these new pianos better than the used Japanese pianos!

So my dilemma is this: I was biased against a Chinese-made piano and I believe many postings about pianos that I have read are. People claim that they use inferior materials, have more variability, will not hold tuning as long, etc.

Is conventional wisdom about these instruments misplaced? Was there a similar xenophobia for Japanese instruments from the 1960s-1970s? Are they improving?

Is there any well-argued reason why these new Young Chang's can't make good "first" pianos compared to a used Japanese piano?

Does anyone else have any experience with the new Young Changs/Webers?

Thanks for your patience! I am hoping to get independent advice from the professionals.

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1993767 - 12/02/12 05:50 PM Re: First Time Affordable Piano Purchase (Young Chang/Weber) [Re: sc_live]  
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,458
Cy Shuster, RPT Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Cy Shuster, RPT  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,458
Albuquerque, NM
The first thing to think about is the differences between any 30-year-old piano and a new one. Car shoppers rarely compare two such models, realizing that materials age with time. This is a blanket statement that I can safely make.

Pianos are made mostly of organic materials: wood, leather, felt. A new piano of any brand that was left untouched in a showroom since 1980 would have considerable deficiencies compared to a new one. Wood gets brittle and warps, felt gets hard and distintegrates, leather dries and cracks. All of these items are routinely replaced, but of course that adds to the cost.

Consider two strategies to simplify your choices: either get the cheapest thing that will get you by in the short term, or invest in the best item you can afford. Since most pianos have a ten-year warranty, and since the design of small grands like Del's new 4'11" Young Chang is greatly improved over those of 30 years ago, I recommend the new piano. There's a reason you like it -- trust yourself!

--Cy--




Cy Shuster, RPT
www.shusterpiano.com
Albuquerque, New Mexico
Director, PTG Norfolk 2016 Technical Institute
http://convention.ptg.org
#1993800 - 12/02/12 06:44 PM Re: First Time Affordable Piano Purchase (Young Chang/Weber) [Re: sc_live]  
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,246
Norbert Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Norbert  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 15,246
Surrey, B.C.
Quote
2) Two independent dealers have both HIGHLY recommended the new Del Fandrich Young Change/Weber designs.
3) I like the tone and feel of these new pianos better than the used Japanese pianos!


It's not just the above mentioned pianos which provide superior tone.

There's several others. The game plan has completely been changed out there and those lucky to find these incredible new options are miles ahead.

It's the same I've been saying for long time now.

You don't have to be a dealer to "recommend" them - go out and find some of these pianos, then come back here and report yourself...

Norbert


www.heritagepianos.com
Greater Vancouver B.C. piano dealers for : Estonia, Brodmann, Ritmuller
604-951-8642 www.eliteheritagepianos.ca Edmonton, Alta dealers for Estonia,
Brodmann 780-405-8908
#1994054 - 12/03/12 11:03 AM Re: First Time Affordable Piano Purchase (Young Chang/Weber) [Re: sc_live]  
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
Chopinlover49 Offline
500 Post Club Member
Chopinlover49  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 643
Not sure what your budget is, but at Young Chang, they make several different levels; Young Chang, Weber, and Albert Weber. The Albert Webers are the top of the line they build using Renner and other high quality parts. It is built in Korea. I tried several and found them very nice and still affordable. If they are not out of your price range, I would try them first.

(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#1994747 - 12/04/12 08:29 PM Re: First Time Affordable Piano Purchase (Young Chang/Weber) [Re: sc_live]  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2
sc_live Offline
Junior Member
sc_live  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2
Thanks - at my budget, I was originally looking at the Y and W series. The Y-175 and W-175 had some slight - almost imperceptible - differences in tone but both were impressive. I'll look for the Albert Weber models.



Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
(ad)
A. Geyer Pianos
A. Geyer Pianos
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Adding sounds to a church organ through midi
by Bellyman. 05/22/17 12:18 PM
thorough technician didn't comment on sound
by pmarc. 05/22/17 11:33 AM
Happy Buy A Musical Instrument Day
by Duke of Dunning. 05/22/17 11:17 AM
Greatest few minutes in music...your choice(s)
by pianoloverus. 05/22/17 10:42 AM
Yamaha P-115 76 Key CHOPPED
by lucianogminetti. 05/22/17 10:34 AM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics179,813
Posts2,628,688
Members87,835
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Report Problems With New Forums
Report Problems with New Forums Here!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0