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#1987926 - 11/17/12 07:54 PM Hitler's Piano Player  
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I sometimes mention books here, but they're usually specifically about pianos and/or piano-playing. This is a little further afield, about Ernst Hanfstaengl, who became chummy with Hitler mostly due to his piano talents; Hitler used to call him up and ask him to come over and play, and he ended up benefitting in a big way. So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...


Hitler's Piano Player: The Rise and Fall of Ernst Hanfstaengl, Confidant of Hitler, Ally of FDR
By Peter Conradi


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/mar/27/biography.features
http://www.powells.com/biblio?inkey=17-9780786716913-0

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#1988030 - 11/18/12 05:17 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Originally Posted by grotrian grand piano
I sometimes mention books here, but they're usually specifically about pianos and/or piano-playing. This is a little further afield, about Ernst Hanfstaengl, who became chummy with Hitler mostly due to his piano talents; Hitler used to call him up and ask him to come over and play, and he ended up benefitting in a big way. So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...


So come on, finish the sentence...

So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...

...tell them to stick with it and pal up with a fascist dictator with a penchant for genocide and world domination and then reap the personal rewards.

How's that?

#1988033 - 11/18/12 05:50 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Coo....yes!!!!...you could start by annexing Austria and grabbing a whole load of Bösendorfers!!!!

#1988058 - 11/18/12 09:15 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by grotrian grand piano
I sometimes mention books here, but they're usually specifically about pianos and/or piano-playing. This is a little further afield, about Ernst Hanfstaengl, who became chummy with Hitler mostly due to his piano talents; Hitler used to call him up and ask him to come over and play, and he ended up benefitting in a big way. So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...


So come on, finish the sentence...

So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...

...tell them to stick with it and pal up with a fascist dictator with a penchant for genocide and world domination and then reap the personal rewards.

How's that?


but his story doesn't end there. guess you'll have to read the book (or a hitler biography) to find out how that sentence really ends.

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#1988065 - 11/18/12 09:32 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Possibly so. But the way the last line of the OP's post was structured was amusing, unsettling and ambiguous in even measures.

#1988095 - 11/18/12 11:01 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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I don't think that anything to do with Hitler is amusing in the slightest.

#1988122 - 11/18/12 12:13 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: David-G]  
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Originally Posted by David-G
I don't think that anything to do with Hitler is amusing in the slightest.


I think you've missed the point. It was the unresolved nature of the sentence that amused me - the possibility that the lesson a reluctant young pianist should learn is that rewards might await following an association with someone like Hitler. I mean there is something ironic there, surely? Unless you've had a complete sense of humour bypass (which I suspect you have) or are so horrified at the very mention of Hitler (or anything else evil or highly controversial) that you feel the need to play the role of moral police. Which is really rather boring to be honest.

#1988128 - 11/18/12 12:34 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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I see that this thread is generating some deep-seated emotional thoughts and feelings, perhaps in a negative way.

I saw a movie once, “The Pianist”, about a bright and talented pianist in Nazi occupied Europe during World War II. It was a very interesting move.

It may well be that Adolf Hitler was somewhat cultured in his own way and liked music and the fine arts. Chances are, he only used that as another tool in his sinister and monstrous quest to rule the world and annihilate an entire race of human beings, along with everyone else he could not rule with an iron fist.

I doubt that Adolf Hitler would be any kind of positive influence on any young, aspirating pianist, or anyone else for that matter… just my .02.

I was going to lock this thread… but on second thought, and in the interest of freedom of speech, (which is not an absolute guarantee on PW) I’ll leave it for now; but that option remains open.

Rick



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#1988142 - 11/18/12 01:14 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Looks like an interesting book. Thanks for the heads up.


"Imagine it in all its primatic colorings, its counterpart in our souls - our souls that are great pianos whose strings, of honey and of steel, the divisions of the rainbow set twanging, loosing on the air great novels of adventure!" - William Carlos Williams
#1988154 - 11/18/12 01:44 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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i'll paraphase a famous quote and suggest that those who don't study history are destined to abuse it. unfortunately the invocation of godwin's law is inevitable, but i too appreciate the heads up and have ordered the book.

#1988188 - 11/18/12 03:22 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Playing for Hitler makes the red dot issue seem trivial...

#1988620 - 11/19/12 06:11 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: EssBrace]  
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Originally Posted by EssBrace

So come on, finish the sentence...

So if a child who balks at piano lessons says that there's no point...

...tell them to stick with it and pal up with a fascist dictator with a penchant for genocide and world domination and then reap the personal rewards.

How's that?


Sorry, I didn't expect anyone to bridle at that. I was thinking in broader, more neutral terms, that it gave him an entre in his early life, starting during his Harvard years, for instance, and in some ways probably helped him survive later on. One night at Harvard, his buddies were having such fun with his playing that they commandeered a truck, hoisted on a piano, and drove him around town late at night, with him playing. (Hitler's interest in culture was apparently rather limited, coming from what would be termed an uncultured background.)

What I find funny is the anomaly of two posts in this forum at the same time, with "Hitler" in the title.

#1988626 - 11/19/12 06:36 PM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Originally Posted by grotrian grand piano

What I find funny is the anomaly of two posts in this forum at the same time, with "Hitler" in the title.


Yep - what a hoot. smokin


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#1988856 - 11/20/12 09:33 AM Re: Hitler's Piano Player [Re: grotrian grand piano]  
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Originally Posted by grotrian grand piano

What I find funny is the anomaly of two posts in this forum at the same time, with "Hitler" in the title.


I don't know if can be applied in this case, but Goldwin's law seems related:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Regards,
Kurt.-

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