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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: Overexposed] #1982041
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Originally Posted by Ann in Kentucky

What? No space after the period in Op?
Op.1? Op.2?

The point is: it's rather silly to split hair at this juncture. As long as the formatting is done consistently throughout the program, and all the important information is there, I don't see any problems.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1982063
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EZ, you'll have to decide what you like, and what your audience might like, and what looks good on the page. AZN and I bless you with freedom.

If freedom is not your thing, or you have a tight deadline, go with Keith Snell.


Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: AZNpiano] #1982095
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by Ann in Kentucky

What? No space after the period in Op?
Op.1? Op.2?

The point is: it's rather silly to split hair at this juncture. As long as the formatting is done consistently throughout the program, and all the important information is there, I don't see any problems.


I agree that consistency is what matters. And I agree that a space is needed after Op ideally. But looks like it was omitted to allow space for 2 columns to fit on the program consistently.

Is it splitting hairs to have an opinion? It's like choosing color for a room. Some people give it a lot of consideration, and others don't think it matters much. IMO using capitals for Major and Minor look like shouting. It may be correct according to APA, but aesthetically is not pleasing to me.

Does it matter much? No, it doesn't matter to most people. And will look fine as long as there is consistency.

BTW, ezpiano did ask "Any other suggestions?". That is what I was answering.

I am thinking how Americans love movies with a preponderance of explosions in them. And naturally the American preference would be to capitalize each word. I just think there are more artsy options to consider.

Last edited by Ann in Kentucky; 11/03/12 08:40 AM.
Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: Peter K. Mose] #1982099
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After thinking it over, I admit that sometimes I get a kick out of quibbling with you folks on PW.

This thread has shown me that I need to get a manual or two about editorial style to see what is officially being said about these matters.

Last edited by Ann in Kentucky; 11/03/12 01:28 PM. Reason: change of heart
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Absolutely, be consistent in a document.

A google search for: editorial style musical work will give you a bunch of possibilities.


Enough is as good as a feast.

Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: Overexposed] #1982273
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Originally Posted by Ann in Kentucky
This thread has shown me that I need to get a manual or two about editorial style to see what is officially being said about these matters.

No, that stuff is best left to the "ivory tower" academics. Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. No one is going to fire you as a piano teacher for missing the space between "Op." and the number.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1982296
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No, no one will fire me if I missing the space between Op. and the number. They will just think that I am being too stubborn and not professional enough to fix the mistakes that I made.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: AZNpiano] #1982297
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by Ann in Kentucky
This thread has shown me that I need to get a manual or two about editorial style to see what is officially being said about these matters.

No, that stuff is best left to the "ivory tower" academics. Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. No one is going to fire you as a piano teacher for missing the space between "Op." and the number.


True. This thread did make me realize though how much I pop off with my opinion...quibbling just to have something to say.

Anyway, I went to the library this afternoon to see what editorial style guidelines I could find. I discovered that the book I wanted is in the reference section at different library. While at the library, though, the book Trolling caught my attention. It was next to fly fishing books. Now I get the origin of the expression "trolling".

Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1982444
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Many of us trolls here on PW, Ann...

Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: Overexposed] #1982473
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Originally Posted by Ann in Kentucky
While at the library, though, the book Trolling caught my attention. It was next to fly fishing books. Now I get the origin of the expression "trolling".


In fishin', ain't the word "trawlin'" ?

Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1983241
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Oh no, now I am nervous about my Christmas recital listings...I am combining with two other teachers, one piano and one cello! With duets! Oh my!

Methinks I am not going to overthink this, and follow the KISS rule-
Keep It Simple, Silly!

I mean, yes I should be the proper example and offer up an edumacated example for the parent folk, but I am just not going to stress over it and pretend I did not see this.

Shhh...nobody tell I was here...

You can't see me! I was never here!!!



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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1985739
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After doing all the research, the teachers in charge tell me that there is nothing I can do to change the title of the pieces into the format that I wanted to unify them into one single version. This is because our program will be computer generated, whatever the teachers key in would be on the program, nothing I can change. I can only arrange the program in a way that we will not have same piece in one recital but spread them out.
Feel disappointed, but I learn something new and valuable from this experience. Thank you for all your sharing.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1985882
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Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
This is because our program will be computer generated, whatever the teachers key in would be on the program, nothing I can change.

Yikes, that sounds horrible. So if the teacher typed:

"sontina c maj. 36 1 vivvace"

That's how it will appear on the program?

My branch has a teacher who can't spell Beethoven.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1985887
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That is right AZN
I think it will only shows the unprofessional of those teachers that do not know how to write the title of the pieces officially in a neat way.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1986035
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The printout doesn't HAVE to be computer generated simply because some teachers say so. You can print out one copy of the computer generated program ahead of time. Then update this printout to prepare a professional looking program. And print the updated version.

Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: Overexposed] #1986045
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It would probably bug me enough to retype it in a consistant style.


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Re: Official way to write title of Sonata pieces [Re: bzpiano] #1986046
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OTOH, if they do not appreciate your offer to help, I would let it alone. Your editing is a valuable service, but some people will fail to appreciate it.

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