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#1979935 - 10/29/12 01:59 AM 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner?  
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My nominee: Scott Joplin

Judging from my time here, I think that's an easy call.

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#1979937 - 10/29/12 02:09 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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I don't care what anyone says; Scott Joplin was a genius.

EDIT:

You know what, Mark? You might as well change the name of this thread to "Scott Joplin Appreciation Thread" because I (and others, I hope) am about to share like there's no tomorrow.

Here's me playing the famous Maple Leaf Rag a few years ago before I discovered classical music (or even how to read music). This was recorded on a pretty bad piano so I'm sorry about the tone.

Here are some less well-known Joplin rags that I'd like to share too:

The following rags are performed by Cory Hall, AKA BachScholar on YouTube.

Euphonic Sounds

The Cascades

Country Club

A Breeze from Alabama

Original Rags


#1979938 - 10/29/12 02:16 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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Joplin is wonderful.

I haven't heard a single discussion about respighi here, but noturno, his preludes on gregorian themes, and a few others whose names are escaping me are brilliant.


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#1979977 - 10/29/12 06:18 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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One reason Scott Joplin isn't discussed much at the Pianist Corner is most don't consider him a classical composer. He's discussed a lot more on the Non Classical Forum.

I find most of his music boring and four square compared to composers like Jelly Roll Morton, James P. Johnson, Fats Waller, Gershwin, Tatum, and other great stride or jazz pianists. I like William Bolcom's Rags more than the ones by Joplin.

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#1979985 - 10/29/12 06:59 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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#1980025 - 10/29/12 09:44 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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#1980044 - 10/29/12 11:07 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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I would have to say Chopin.. wink


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#1980053 - 10/29/12 11:54 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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#1980056 - 10/29/12 12:07 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: JoelW]  
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Originally Posted by mazurkajoe

Here's me playing the famous Maple Leaf Rag a few years ago before I discovered classical music


IIRC, Joplin considered his rags to be a classical form.

Most neglected composer? Henri Herz! Though his "marriage" to La Paiva may be more interesting than his music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Paiva


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#1980128 - 10/29/12 03:16 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: tomasino]  
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Originally Posted by tomasino
Rzewski


+1

I can't say who's neglected here, since I just joined yesterday, but I do wish people played more Rzewski. I love his 4 pieces from 1977 (or maybe 1978).

Lyapunov too. He has a lot of good pieces (but a lot of duds too).

#1980129 - 10/29/12 03:18 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Plowboy]  
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Originally Posted by Plowboy
....Most neglected composer? Henri Herz!

Most neglected GREAT composer. ha

But I love seeing any mention anywhere of composers like Herz.

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Originally Posted by DanS
I can't say who's neglected here, since I just joined yesterday....

Yesterday??
I swear, it seems like you're a veteran already. smile

#1980154 - 10/29/12 04:03 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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Hehe, Joplin and I share a birthday.

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Hehe, Joplin and I share a birthday.


Richard Strauss and I share a birthday.

Samuel Barber and my sister share a birthday.

A pair of perhaps mildly underrated composers on these forums.

-J


Beethoven op.110, Chopin op.27/2, Liszt Vallée d'Obermann
#1980169 - 10/29/12 04:30 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Orange Soda King]  
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Hehe, Joplin and I share a birthday.

Nice job! grin

#1980185 - 10/29/12 05:21 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: beet31425]  
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Originally Posted by beet31425
Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Hehe, Joplin and I share a birthday.


Richard Strauss and I share a birthday.

Samuel Barber and my sister share a birthday.

A pair of perhaps mildly underrated composers on these forums.

-J


I came into this thread to mention the Strauss piano sonata! Don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here. Glenn Gould plays an exquisite interpretation of it.

#1980200 - 10/29/12 05:52 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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I think Lyapunov, Liadov, Bortkiewicz, Mednter, Moszkowski, and Henselt could certainly use more attention. All of whom I consider to be first rate composers. (I would include Alkan, but it seems like he gets a lot of attention around here.)

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#1980213 - 10/29/12 06:35 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Plowboy
....Most neglected composer? Henri Herz!

Most neglected GREAT composer. ha

But I love seeing any mention anywhere of composers like Herz.


There is a reason some composers generate little sustained interest, and sometimes the reason just Herz.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by DanS
I can't say who's neglected here, since I just joined yesterday....

Yesterday??
I swear, it seems like you're a veteran already. smile


Thanks! I do love to hear myself type blush


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Lyapunov/Ljapoenoff/Liapunov it must be, he wrote 12 études d'ex.tr. (op.11) to follow up Liszt's 12, and did a good job: truly Lisztian in scope and difficulty, but very russian at that, and he wrote a wonderful sonata (op.27), based on the architecture of Liszt but, as in the études, he built a Russian Orthodox cathedral on the Lisztian example, the first really russian sounding sonata ever, really! Some good variationworks, a darling sonatina, why isn't he played more often: it's hard, and to go through that much trouble, well, most prefer the well known names, let's do the whole 'chopin/schumann/liszt/rachmaninoff/etc' rep. It might be a good idea to be adventurous and just try, and also play Medtner, and Glazunov, and Alkan, and Rzwvzckqlrtpszewsky, but don't forget Lyapunov!


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#1980345 - 10/29/12 11:14 PM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Piano*Dad]  
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Plowboy
....Most neglected composer? Henri Herz!

Most neglected GREAT composer. ha

But I love seeing any mention anywhere of composers like Herz.


There is a reason some composers generate little sustained interest, and sometimes the reason just Herz.



Now really, was that called for? laugh


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Zez Confrey (since this appears to be "that" sort of thread).



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Originally Posted by wr
Zez Confrey (since this appears to be "that" sort of thread).


One of two great American composers from Peru, although not from the same one!


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Originally Posted by wr
Zez Confrey (since this appears to be "that" sort of thread).




I was going to mention him but decided not to for some reason.

I really like his Three Little Oddities.

#1980409 - 10/30/12 05:21 AM Re: 'Most neglected' great piano composer on Pianist Corner? [Re: Mark_C]  
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Le Monte Young is kinda forgotten anywhere I go, I'm not a "fan" but I recognise the contribution. Something should be said for a 5 hour long piano grind.

A lot of modern composers get snubbed for not being academic or artsy enough.

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Originally Posted by Foxes
Le Monte Young is kinda forgotten anywhere I go, I'm not a "fan" but I recognise the contribution. Something should be said for a 5 hour long piano grind.

A lot of modern composers get snubbed for not being academic or artsy enough.


And then there are all the modern composers who get snubbed for being too academic or artsy. Can't win, unless dead for a over a century, and even then, it's dicey.


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How come that Villa-Lobos hasn't been mentionned yet ?

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How come that Villa-Lobos hasn't been mentionned yet ?

Because he's the most "neglected" great piano composer on Pianist Corner.... grin



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Originally Posted by Plowboy
Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Plowboy
....Most neglected composer? Henri Herz!

Most neglected GREAT composer. ha

But I love seeing any mention anywhere of composers like Herz.


There is a reason some composers generate little sustained interest, and sometimes the reason just Herz.



Now really, was that called for? laugh


Yes indeed! When the thread topic is this vague, it's my duty to start Messiaen around. Otherwise we could be at it till the end of time.


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