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#1979242 - 10/27/12 10:28 AM Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern?  
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Board is great- I enjoy it. Just seems a few keys are not spaced evenly. Should I do a return or is this common? Do i need to be concerned they would ship? Kudos though to Casio because it shipped with tape across the base of the white keys to make sure they did not move:



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#1979281 - 10/27/12 12:51 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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It's a visual concern for sure.

If it concerns you, contact the store and follow through on this.




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#1979337 - 10/27/12 04:32 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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What do you mean by not spaced evenly ? My ES7 keys are not all spaced exactly evenly (my Mp6 key were almost too perfectly even). Doesn't really bother me. Question is how much space there is. If it's just a little and doesn't hurt your playing, why bother if the rest of the instrument is fine. Just enjoy the DP. Also keep in mind it's not an $ 3000 product, so just a little bit of spacing , provided it doesn't hurt playing, is not something I would worry about. Just my thought...J

#1979347 - 10/27/12 05:01 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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#1979454 - 10/27/12 08:48 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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There are certainly degrees of unevenness. Rubbing against a neighbor is one extreme and obviously wrong. A subtle visual difference on 3-6 gaps over the whole keyboard may ultimately be nothing. On every octave, problem.

Unlevel keys would be a problem.

If it does not affect feel or behave as if loose, then I would check again in a few weeks/months to see if it has does develop into something...you have warranty.


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#1979502 - 10/28/12 12:31 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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My ca95 has lots of uneven gaps.... aslong as none of the keys rub its a non issue.

#1979507 - 10/28/12 12:45 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: UK Paul UK]  
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Thanks for your replies, 4-5 keys to the right it seems the closest but no rubbing. I'll see how it goes the next week or so.


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#1979549 - 10/28/12 04:51 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Send us a picture; tells more than a thousand ....

Again, my DP has a little unevenness , but it has no nfluence on playing whatsoever. Many acoustic pianos I've seen are also not perfect in key spacing. There is a limit to what is 'normal' , but I wouldn't immediately define this as a defect. See how it works out for you. My idea is that if it doesn't pose a mechanical or perceptible problem while playing I wouldn't bother. Just enjoy the instrument.

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#1979666 - 10/28/12 01:19 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: JFP]  
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Out of curiousity - is there a way for me to post the pictures here?- then i could show and share what i see.


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#1979689 - 10/28/12 02:16 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Use this link to post pictures: POST PICTURES

You'll need to provide an email address. You'll receive an email with the link to your posted picture.

#1979860 - 10/28/12 10:10 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Hello, is the first one: I will send 3 more- I just want to see if people have similar ones


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#1979861 - 10/28/12 10:13 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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#1979862 - 10/28/12 10:14 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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#1979865 - 10/28/12 10:14 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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#1979877 - 10/28/12 10:53 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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My Casio has a few keys with gaps similar to yours. I've never had any trouble with the keys other than noise (clacking). I have a heavy touch and wore out the original felt. Casio doesn't sell replacement felt or rubber strips for their keybeds. I bought felt from a piano supply made from woven wool which is more durable and improvised with foam strips to replace the rubber.

#1979923 - 10/29/12 01:16 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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I understand it isn't as pretty, but by itself, I don't think it is a symptom of anything. The picture of the first gap is obvious, but the others fall in the realm of nitpicky, IMO.

I'm not telling you to be unhappy, but I wouldn't swap it unless it gets worse. I would wait a few weeks - at least - to see if it changes or affects anything else.


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#1979960 - 10/29/12 05:17 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Originally Posted by Possum P105
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Hello, is the first one: I will send 3 more- I just want to see if people have similar ones


As for that "F" key above, I wouldn't worry at all about the space you see to the right side of the key, however, I would be more concerned in observing what that key does with it's neighbor to the left, or, the "E" key.

If it is not touching or creating any friction with key it is closest to, then (as Sam points out above) it looks like you're okay. If any key starts to rub another key that it is closest to, that's what I would look for.

#1979961 - 10/29/12 05:19 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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Go to the store and see if the display models have those gaps. If they haven't, there's no reason not to swap it if you're that demanding, provided you are brave enough to point out them to the dealer.

#1980003 - 10/29/12 08:24 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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I see what you mean, I have similar unevenness repeatedly over the octaves (space differences between certain keys are the same in all octaves, so I figured it is jus the way it is build). If they don't touch each other , are not extremely loose or don't give you any problems with playing, I wouldn't bother too much. Swapping the PX and you might end up with a unit that has something else that may be wrong. IMHO buying any product , be it computer, DP, receiver, TV or whatever has become some kind of lottery anyway these days. Speaking out of experience: did so many swaps the last three years and every time there's something else not quite right.

Everything was better in the old days, ...sigh ;-)

Bottom line, if it doesn't spoil the fun, other than not being 100% perfect to look at, don't exchange! If its posing mechanical problems etc, contact the dealer.

J

#1980032 - 10/29/12 10:15 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: JFP]  
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Originally Posted by JFP
I see what you mean, I have similar unevenness repeatedly over the octaves (space differences between certain keys are the same in all octaves, so I figured it is jus the way it is build). If they don't touch each other , are not extremely loose or don't give you any problems with playing, I wouldn't bother too much. Swapping the PX and you might end up with a unit that has something else that may be wrong. IMHO buying any product , be it computer, DP, receiver, TV or whatever has become some kind of lottery anyway these days. Speaking out of experience: did so many swaps the last three years and every time there's something else not quite right.

Everything was better in the old days, ...sigh ;-)

Bottom line, if it doesn't spoil the fun, other than not being 100% perfect to look at, don't exchange! If its posing mechanical problems etc, contact the dealer.

J


I hear you about it being a lottery! Given that I had the broken key on the P105 and they sent a new one right away, part of me wouldn't want to chance getting a unit that could have a greater percentage chance of a defect.
It was actually in the back of my mind when selling the P95, "What am I doing selling this perfectly functional board?"
My plan would be just to sit tight unless I see any problems in the 30-40 day range


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#1980111 - 10/29/12 01:51 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: JFP]  
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Having tried out the AP-620 in a couple of different stores, one of the first things that struck me was an uneven spacing between the keys, something which I had not seen on Yamaha, Kawai or Roland keyboards. I kind of figured that this was a "Casio" issue, since I had seen it on a couple of different Casio pianos. Although it is visually off-putting, I can't say that it affects actual playing of the intruments.

#1980171 - 10/29/12 04:32 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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My Kawai ES7 Keys just for comparison; note that every picture is at another octave (no doubles).

It is possible to see that around key "g" there's a just a bit more room (F to G) than between the other keys. It repeats consistently over the octaves (at some octaves between G and A, but always around key 'g").

Second thing is that all the black "g sharp" keys are a hanging on to the left. That leaves a small gap to the right of it ,where you have a nice see through on the bottom of the keybed. All other black keys are nicely fit in the middle. It's the same pattern for each octave.

For me it's nitpicking, since it plays fine and I suppose this is simply the way the RHII is build. Perhaps the g sharps are a little off to the left, because there are anchoring points for the keybed at those places that need some room (?). Just hope not too much dust or something else falls into these spots. If it's not as it should be , please correct me ;-)

So I guess there will always be a little uneven spacing - it's not rocket science - but as long as it's within margin , doesn't hurt playing and serves some purpose - what I assume the G# spaces do - it's OK.

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#1985324 - 11/11/12 12:23 PM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: JFP]  
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I ended up returning it Friday- one of the keys (and I think I missed putting the picture in!) was just too close to one of the others. I figure why take any chances.
Now, if the next one has something wrong with it I would obviously return it, but if it is uneven with no keys spaced too close together than I would be okay with it as it is an excellent product as a whole.
This is why I didn't get something like a PX-850; its just easier for me in case of returns.
However, I think in a few years when I am ready for something again, I would go the route of a piano dealership that delivers (Clavinova, etc...)


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#1985577 - 11/12/12 02:01 AM Re: Slightly uneven spacing on some PX-350 keys- any concern? [Re: PossumES8SP280]  
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I looked at my PX-330, and I think you were overly picky ...


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