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Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music?
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The Android is a widescreen, the ipad is not. The Android resolution is more than enough to read congested 2 piano scores, although I have no doubt the ipad will blow it away for image quality.

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Originally Posted by MetalMan
The Android is a widescreen, the ipad is not. The Android resolution is more than enough to read congested 2 piano scores, although I have no doubt the ipad will blow it away for image quality.
Do you mean 2 page scores? Not enough width for me for 2 pages. I don't even want 1 full page at a width of less than 6" on either device in Portrait mode.

The 1280x800 Android is 1.6:1, while the 2048-by-1536 iPad is 1.33:1

A half page on standard sheet music is about 9"x6", 1.5:1. So that doesn't actually fit on the Android 1.6:1 screen at full width. You have to shrink the page width to 8.0" on the Android to fit an entire half page on it. So the difference in width is only 0.25" wider on the Android. I don't think that would make up for the resolution difference.

9.7" iPad
Screen Width 7.76" Height 5.82" 2048x1536
1/2 Page Width 7.76" Height 5.17" 1.5:1 2048x1365

10.1" Android
Screen Width 8.56" Height 5.35" 1280 x 800
1/2 Page Width 8.02" Height 5.35" 1.5:1 1200x800

Am I missing something?


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Re: Anyone Using An iPad For Sheet Music?
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No, 2 piano scores. Music to be played by 2 pianos simultaneously, such as piano concerto reductions. Your measurements are spot on for my android device. IMSLP scores ( and everything else I have in my 5+ GB score collection) are usually quite legible at 8.5" wide. I get the full 8.5" width too. Typically, that extra inch of page length and half inch of page width are cropped from the standard 9 x 12 format so that scores can be reprinted with a normal printer.

Plus,the 5.35" height allows me to scroll once per page. I guess it is a preference thing. I wish the ipad was larger; it seems more solid, but I would definitely notice the 3/4 inch drop in width.

What are you playing off your Ipad?

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Macy,
Apple does use very impressive resolution screens, but screen size is very important when you're talking about screens this small imo. Maybe it's just me, but I get a headache trying to use the tiny screen on an iPhone while my larger 4.3" phone doesn't have that problem. I'm looking into 4.65" and beyond for my next phone smile Nevermind the lower resolution, I can barely tell the pixels are there.

For reading sheet music it's even more important since the screen is farther from your eyes. My laptop is a 12.5" 1366x768 (ew), and while I normally think it needs more resolution so it can fit more text, I would not think of trying to zoom out on sheet music pdfs, big fat notes are more comfortable to look at. Actually if I'll be completely honest, I haven't even bothered trying to read music off this, as trying to do that on a 13" Macbook was too hard already. I can't imagine the headache I'd get from reading off a tablet.

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Originally Posted by trigalg693
Macy,
Apple does use very impressive resolution screens, but screen size is very important when you're talking about screens this small imo. ...

For reading sheet music it's even more important since the screen is farther from your eyes. ...

I can't imagine the headache I'd get from reading off a tablet.

As I reported, I've set up my Mac screen to show various pieces of sheet music at the exact same physical size (but less resolution) as the iPad and viewed from the same distance as I would have on my piano. As long as the iPad is positioned in landscape orientation (7.76 inches wide) the music should be large enough. I'm more concerned about only seeing half-pages and having to "turn the page" more often, than I am about size now. (I will use a Bluetooth foot pedal to change pages.)

What finally convinced me that the iPad size (width-wise) should be large enough, is that I currently copy a lot of my sheet music onto 8.5"x11" pages and mount those pages in mylar sheet-protectors for loose leaf notebooks. When I examined those pages, I found the actual width of the music is always greater than 7.5" and less than 7.75". In other words, with careful preparation of the pdfs (cropping and converting full pages to 1/2 pages) for the iPad. the music displayed on the 7.76" wide iPad should be virtually identical in size to what I'm looking at now. Plus it should be brighter than the sheet music, which will help even more in dim light.

I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs, so while that is bit of a pain it will hopefully pay back in reduced sheet music clutter.

Hence my only real concern now is turning pages every half page. So I'm ready to buy an iPad as soon as they have them in stock again and try it out. Since I've been looking for an excuse to buy an iPad for long time, if it doesn't work, so be it. I'll probably find another use for the iPad after I have one.





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Originally Posted by Macy
I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs,

How so? An iPad app, or some way you're prepping the on the computer?

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I mean if it suits you sure, I personally do not want to be reading off anything smaller than 2 full sheets of paper at a time, and I refuse to go through pdfs and cut them up into half sheets, that's too much work. You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P

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Originally Posted by trigalg693
[...]You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P


LOL. I want the new iPad too. I certainly need an excuse for my wife, to justify the expense . Reading sheet music off an iPad is a fantastic one.


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The silent page turn feature is an excellent reason to buy an ipad too! grin

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Originally Posted by Hideki Matsui
I use MusicReader, which came with AirTurn, the wireless footswitch page turning system.


Hideki, is this the version of AirTurn that you use?:

http://www.amazon.com/BT-105-Blueto..._1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333754406&sr=8-1

If not, could you reply with a link to the version your recommend?

And on MusicReader, do you annotate your scores? If so, what type of stylus or marker do you use?

Many thanks!

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I've also worked out a pretty straightforward process to create the 1/2 page pdfs,

How so? An iPad app, or some way you're prepping the on the computer?

Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I've found that I can create what are essentially 1/2 pages of sheet music pdf's from the full page scans or full page pdfs using the Mac program GraphicConverter to easily crop off the "white" space and then save them to pdf pages that exactly match the iPad display. GraphicConverter will also automatically break the pages in half, but that isn't always optimum for every page of the score (particularly 1st pages for instance). But using GraphicConverter it is also very easy to edit a page as necessary, cutting out guitar tabs, pushing staffs closer together, or moving titles and anything else around to fit the problem pages into half pages if they don't automatically break right.

Yep it's a bit of work, but so is preparing loose-leaf binders of music or sorting through stacks of cluttered music books to find a piece. smile


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Originally Posted by trigalg693
You do sound like you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPad :P

I admitted that early on. So yeah, if the results are disappointing nothing much lost, except that I really want to solve the sheet music display problem.

Not to get too far off topic, but I'm a hardware/software design engineer with computers all over the house and no desire to carry a iPad anywhere outside the house. So despite it seeming like a neat gadget, I haven't found any practical reason to get one until now.




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Haha, well if you do get it I hope it works out for you. This past semester I tried to cut down on the amount of paper books I have since it's so much easier to carry my 3lb laptop with ebooks stored on it (well organized too!), but I found that physical paper books have quite a few merits...reading off a screen just feels really weird, maybe it's the cream color some paper has, the way it reflects light, the way you can flip between pages much more easily (probably this mostly), whatever it is I have much less motivation to study when I have to read off a screen.

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Originally Posted by Macy
Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I just came across an iPad app called Scanner Pro (and there are probably others), I wonder if that might be the easiest way to do it. It looks like you just shoot the image with the iPad's camera, and it will let you optimize the size, contrast, etc., to get the piece you want looking as good as possible on the iPad. I might try this...

http://www.imore.com/2012/04/12/scan-documents-ipad-scanner-pro/

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
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Prepping on a Mac first. I wouldn't want to attempt it on an iPad when it is so much easier to do it in my den on Mac with multiple large monitors, a mouse, etc.

I just came across an iPad app called Scanner Pro (and there are probably others), I wonder if that might be the easiest way to do it. It looks like you just shoot the image with the iPad's camera, and it will let you optimize the size, contrast, etc., to get the piece you want looking as good as possible on the iPad. I might try this...

http://www.imore.com/2012/04/12/scan-documents-ipad-scanner-pro/


I'm put off it immediately by both halves of the name :-) It isn't a scanner. And it's a truism that anything called "pro", isn't.

But give it a try and let us know. Photographing rather than scanning may be a useful method, particularly for bound books that don't easily lie flat on a scanner.

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Any professional accompanists other than myself using iPads (and BT-105 with ATFS-2) full-time? :-)

Been shuffling one page at a time, footwise, for over a year now.

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Anybody has experience with Android-based Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for sheet music?

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Here is my method of getting sheet music in forescore in perfect format in landscape mode....
1) Take a screenshot of the sheet music in landscape mode exactly how you want to see it in forescore
2) use the "photo to pdf" app to generate a "landscape pdf document" of the screenshot. You can create multiple page pdf's this way
3) I also use the white marker in forescore to edit out any unwanted areas in a screenshot

Works for me

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A couple of the guys I gig with use iPads. It seems to work ok, better than all the sheets they were carrying. But, they're only reading lead sheets or chord charts, not full scores.



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Originally Posted by jazzonebyone
A couple of the guys I gig with use iPads. It seems to work ok, better than all the sheets they were carrying. But, they're only reading lead sheets or chord charts, not full scores.


I started this particular thread back in April when I was thinking about using an iPad for piano sheet music. Now I use it almost exclusively and I would never go back to paper again. Everything I play gets transferred to my iPad. Full scores, not lead sheets or chords only.



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