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Re: I Have Proof the Economy has Turned Around!
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2008. USA was the most responsible country for the crisis, but now Europe is the epicenter of a global disaster that will eventualy come. With unemployment rate that is exeeding 20 % in most mediteranian countrys, euro will colapse, it is a meater of time. You cannot imagine how is the situation in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Irleand, Greece, small countrys like mine Croatia, Slovenia. The life standard is falling every month as the income is falling at 10 to 15 percent rate a year. Calculate inflation on about 2.8 and you can imagine the situation. To us USA seems to be doing better than us. Dolar is still a world currency, so you still can print as much money you want, but for how long. Yes we indeed lived in a most amazing time in human history.... smile

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Re: I Have Proof the Economy has Turned Around!
UnrightTooner #1972202 10/12/12 06:17 AM
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All these things have been said before about every economic crisis. The "Chicken Littles" are always among us. What is really going on is we lived beyond our means and are now paying for it. And when the opportunity arises we will do it again and again. That is the real cause of the "business cycle": Trying to get that free lunch.

Good news up here, though. The local school board had more than the expected revenue!


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If you truly want to know the economic situation take a close look around you...its a much better indicator than the media, or heaven forbid..the government. They report the economy much like a sly weatherman does the weather...gives you a time,or a date, or an occurance/event...but never the three at once. Unemployment statistics are a sham also, they don't account for the people who literally give up and drop off the charts.


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Originally Posted by Emmery
If you truly want to know the economic situation take a close look around you...
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Good point. I see a lot of overly well-fed people living calm lives. I don't see food lines or demonstrations in the streets. See, I wonder if once you get used to certain luxuries (like a second, or third NEW car) if when you can no longer afford them (because you borrowed money to have them to begin with) if somehow you think you are in poverty. We have been too used to having stuff NOW that we haven't earned yet, let alone saving for what you want in the future! I think the whole developed world needs to get used to a new "normal." You can't burn a candle at both ends.


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Re: I Have Proof the Economy has Turned Around!
UnrightTooner #1972325 10/12/12 01:07 PM
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Have to be careful about the "where" when you look around yourself; you could be looking around in a gated community, or you could be looking around near the rougher side of the tracks. Those people who were already living on the edge (and there are plenty of them who arn't burning both ends of the candle) are the ones who feel economic downswings the worst. These people and their dependants will be the folks who are likely to fall between the cracks. I would not consider somebody who holds off on buying a third new car this year as being a victim of the economy or anything for that matter.


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UnrightTooner #1973085 10/14/12 08:48 AM
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Well, well, well.
Perhaps we should all stop playing piano and take up violin, so that we may all fiddle while Rome burns.


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UnrightTooner #1973123 10/14/12 10:19 AM
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Well if Canada was Rome, and instead of taking up a fiddle we each took up some buckets of water, we get charged $ for filling the bucket (consumption fee), and then an additional charge for tossing it on the fire(waste fee). This was not always like this, and herein lies part of the problem.


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Re: I Have Proof the Economy has Turned Around!
UnrightTooner #1973357 10/14/12 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner


Good point. I see a lot of overly well-fed people living calm lives. I don't see food lines or demonstrations in the streets...


We're not seeing food lines (ie. "bread lines") in the street like back in the (other) depression because they now use food stamps, so even though there are just as much unemployed and impoverished now as there was then it is kept hidden.

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Originally Posted by Silverwood Pianos


At the same time the American dollar went off the gold standard another important deal was struck by Kissinger. The deal was any oil traded by OPEC countries would be traded on the spot market in US dollars.

This all changed very quietly on September 6th 2012.

Lindsey Williams:

"The most significant day in the history of the American dollar, since its inception, happened on Thursday, Sept. 6. On that day, something took place that is going to affect your life, your family, your dinner table more than you can possibly imagine."

"On Thursday, Sept. 6... just a few days ago, China made the official announcement. China said on that day, our banking system is ready, all of our communication systems are ready, all of the transfer systems are ready, and as of that day, Thursday, Sept. 6, any nation in the world that wishes from this point on, to buy, sell, or trade crude oil, can do using the Chinese currency, not the American dollar.

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Ah yes, good ole Lindsey Williams. I've been watching that character for a while and I must admit he is usually right and does seem to have an inside track on information as he claims.

I too am aware that the Chinese currency can now be used to buy oil and simply assumed that the corporate media certainly would not report on it,or if they did, mention it only briefly. (I stopped paying attention to the corporate controlled "news" many years ago).
Up to this point countries any country that attempted to go off the Petro dollar were invaded or bombed by the US whenever (always sold to the public as a "humanitarian invasion of course) but it could only go on for so long.
When the collapse comes it will be very swift and those people that have been spending the recent years ridiculing those of us who have been trying to alert the public as to what is going on (usually by calling us "conspiracy theorists") are due for a very rude awakening.
I only wish that I would have clued into these things years before I did since I would have been that much further ahead in my preparations.
The biggest fear that most of us "awakened ones" have is that they will start a massive all-out war when the collapse comes since this is historically almost always done.

When one is also aware of the fact that many of the world's rich elite and insiders have bought property in South America this is a bit unsettling to say the least.
(George W. Bush bought 100,000 acres in Paraguay).

If you pay attention as well you will notice that many at the top of the pile have been quietly buying up a LOT of gold, while almost always publicly stating that gold is "in a bubble". (George Soros is the perfect example of this).

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The piano service business is doing well. I no longer care about politics or what obama is or is not doing. I wake up every single day and go fix people's pianos. It brings me satisfaction. I have no problem with the phone ringing.


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UnrightTooner #2092539 05/30/13 11:09 PM
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Amen Gary! We've had our best years since the downturn. And there is no shortage of work out there! I think the best is yet to come. The key is to keep upgrading skills, including how to be in business. I think it is easy for people to get stuck in a rut and not progress as much as they could. Treat the spinets, consoles and old uprights like they are concert grands and the clients will keep flowing in.


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UnrightTooner #2092573 05/30/13 11:53 PM
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Ryan, what you have as far as business is highly dependant on the financial position of your customers. Its nice to be diversified amongst the classes and adds a bit of insurance to steady business in down turn. Can't count on spinet owners in a downswing. I have little faith in the future economy, especially when 4 of the top economists in the US all agree there is imminent economic doom on the near horizon.

I did find it strange when China gave North Korea a scolding a few months back for threatening the US. Wouldn't normally make sense until you realize the US owes them about 1.3 trillion dollars. Who said there isn't a silver lining with a collosal debt.


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Wow this is quite the thread!

I think the fact that the US is on track to become energy independent changes the equation dramatically about petrodollars. The thing to remember about commodities in general is that market forces always seek to do "more" with "less". It is generally in our interests to support these market trends and avoid giving power to commodity interests to obfuscate the real price. A salespersons true job is to hide the real price from the purchaser.

The long term trend that is much more powerful than gold or oil is; that robots are doing more and more of the work and the whole notion of what is considered gainful employment for real people needs to be revisited.

Also the growth trend of non-profit enterprise is much faster than the either the government or private sector. This runs the very real risk of undermining market mechanisms.

The old polemic of economy/politics where the "free market' is pitted against "socialism" is wholly inadequate for discussing our present and future reality.



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The local HS has approved the key re-bushing and case re-what-ever-ing (rattle can) of the old baby grand. Call the babysitter Momma, were going to the steakhouse!


That's very fortunate.

We're both in PA. I've been told that one district I tune for will be cutting down to only one tuning per year per piano because the state has cut funding to the schools.

I had a small price increase, so another district has told me that they may no longer be able to afford me because the state has cut funding to the schools.

I'm glad things seem to be going better in your area.

Marcellus shale money?


In my district, we have one technician (me) for what I estimate at this point to be upwards of 700 pianos (I'm in the process of assessing and verifying inventory as I go). My supervisor and I were discussing tuning frequency about a week ago; the current hope is that I can see every piano at least every other year, with exceptions for high-end performing pianos needing more frequent attention. As it is (and some of this has been mentioned on a other thread), there are some pianos I've seen recently that my money says haven't been touched by a tech for upwards of 15 years (25 cents flat and festooned with spider webs and tons of dust, anyone?).



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(25 cents flat and festooned with spider webs and tons of dust, anyone?).


Only 25 cents? That's not so bad. (Oh, how it pains me to say that)

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25 cents for many pianos is what we call a normal seasonal shift in my area.


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Well, our economy has certainly turned, too. But not in the way the OP meant.

In the last year, our currency has lost almost 20% against the US Dollar. Of those, 10 were in the Month of May, and of those, 6 within the last three days. Freefall, whoohoo!

(There goes my budget for the next order of tools from Schaff...)


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People can't afford to go out so as they are spending more time at home, they eventually realize that the piano is waaaay out of tune. I had one customer meet me at the door, walk me to the piano and ask, "I bought this piano only five years ago; Is it supposed to sound like this?"


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4 of the 5 top economists?? 4 of the 500 top economists??

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