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Thank you.
Will hear the sound file again and review last tuning.
The National day is dark. 38 death in a ship crashing. They are after sea food meal on the way to see firework.
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Hi Weiyan,
I have found an article in the web, with other details. I'm very sorry for that.
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Hi Weiyan,
I have found an article in the web, with other details. I'm very sorry for that.
Should you send me a link?
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Thank you. I got the links. Very bad tuning, besides the thirds have some progression. The base: A3-E4: beats faster than 1bps, too fast E4-A4: beats ok A3-D4: Ok D4-A4: 1bps, too fast A3-A4 too narrow Thirds: A3-C#4:Ok A#3-D4: OK B3-D#4: slow C4-E4: faster than previous interval, may ok. C#4-F4: has progression, may ok D4-F#4: slower than previous interval D#4-G4, E4-G$4, F4-A4: has progression, has a feeling of too tense. Fourths: A3-D4: OK The rest: seems progressive, but the feeling is too tense. Fifths: A3-E4: OK. The rest: has progression. This is not CHAS. The feeling is very tense. The beat rate may be ET fifth, the feeling is not fifth. Correction: Better to tune again from ground.
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You are welcome, Weiyan.
My comment (in brackets):
The base: A3-E4: beats faster than 1bps, too fast (yes) E4-A4: beats ok (yes) A3-D4: Ok (not wide enough) D4-A4: 1bps, too fast (re-listen, D4-A4 is Ok, both D4 and A4 want to go up)
A3-A4 too narrow (yes)
Thirds: A3-C#4:Ok (yes, a hair slow/sweet, more normal for G3-B3) A#3-D4: OK (slow, slower than A3-C#4) B3-D#4: slow (not bad at all) C4-E4: faster than previous interval, may ok. (slower/sweeter than previous, slow) C#4-F4: has progression, may ok (yes) D4-F#4: slower than previous interval (yes) D#4-G4, E4-G$4, F4-A4: has progression, has a feeling of too tense. (D#4-G4,(sweeter than previous) E4-G$4,(tense) F4-A4 (sweet))
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You say "too tense"... In general, let's consider that thirds and all F-BI's get very tense (progressively, (going up the scale)), and that is how "variable tensions" can neatly translate into "variety of color"; F-BI's get "too tense", that is why (going up the scale) we check wider intervals (F-BI's), like 6ths, 10th and 17ths, easier to "read".
At this stage, do not ask yourself to order D#4-G4, E4-G#4, F4-A4. Instead, start comparing 6ths, first A3-F#4 and B3-G#4, and then the other two. Use "tone-distance" also for comparing very fast thirds, it gets easier ((?)let me know).
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Fourths: A3-D4: OK (not wide enough) The rest: seems progressive, but the feeling is too tense. (C4-F4 and C#4-F#4 sound Ok, play (and rec) a little longer; D#4-G#4 beats much faster, I'm sure you can hear that)
Fifths: A3-E4: OK. (too fast, make it calmer) The rest: has progression. This is not CHAS. The feeling is very tense. The beat rate may be ET fifth, the feeling is not fifth. (tune A3-E4 closer to "Just", avoid beating like C4-G4, tune D4-A4 narrow-just)
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I need to say that Chas (s=1) works as a reference only; your tunings will stand for yourself and you are doing very well.
Regards, a.c.
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Thank you.
Today has a net term "tone distance", what's this?
Tuning better, like playing piano and writing calligraphy is for personal enjoyment. Not all piano can tune to the precision required by CHAS.
Tune again today.
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Today has a net term "tone distance", what's this?
Example: The "distance" between E and F is a semitone; the "distance" between C and D is called a "tone"; B-C, C-C#, C#-D, D-D#, D#-E, E-F, F-F# etc., are semitone distances; B-C#, C#-D#, D#-F etc. are tone distances. Two "tone-distance" thirds example: C-E, D-F#. Enjoy your tuning, a.c. .
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The base: A3-E4: OK E4-A4: Seems beats ok, seems too just. The interval may reversed. A3-D4: Little bit slower D4-A4: OK A3-A4: too wide Thirds: A3-C#4: OK A#3-D4: Ok B3-D#4: slow C4-E4: Ok C#4-F4: ok D4-F#4: slow D#4-G4: slow E4-G#4: slow F4-A4: ok. Fourths: A3-D4: slow A#3-D#4: fast B3-E4: OK C4-F4: fast C#4-F#4: little fast D4-G4: Slow D#4-G#4: slow E4-A4: seems ok Fifths: A3-E4; OK A#3-F4: OK B3-F#4: fast C4-G4: fast C#4-G#4: ok D4-A4: wavy, too fast Follow the tuning sequence fine tune it with respect to the wrong intervals.
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The base: A3-E4: OK E4-A4: Seems beats ok, seems too just. The interval may reversed. A3-D4: Little bit slower D4-A4: OK A3-A4: too wide Thirds: A3-C#4: OK A#3-D4: Ok B3-D#4: slow C4-E4: Ok C#4-F4: ok D4-F#4: slow D#4-G4: slow E4-G#4: slow F4-A4: ok. Fourths: A3-D4: slow A#3-D#4: fast B3-E4: OK C4-F4: fast C#4-F#4: little fast D4-G4: Slow D#4-G#4: slow E4-A4: seems ok Fifths: A3-E4; OK A#3-F4: OK B3-F#4: fast C4-G4: fast C#4-G#4: ok D4-A4: wavy, too fast Follow the tuning sequence fine tune it with respect to the wrong intervals. Perhaps email would be more appropriate for this conversation? Only purpose I see to dump this interarction here is to get hits on the keyword "CHAS". Kees
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This is second pass of previous tuning. Move a tiny hair if possible. I play the note while pushing up or pulling down the. In most case I can hear crack sound and feel the pin move. Not sure if this technique is stable. Confirm the direction of interval by slightly pushing up twisting the pin, then set back. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/chas-13-oct-2012http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-13-oct-2012B3-D#4 sounds strange http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fourths-13-oct-2012D#4-G#4 sounds strange http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fifths-13-oct-2012A#3-F4 seems very fast. The perception of beat rate not the same between recording and the piano. Sometimes there are many "layers" of beats. Should I listen to the fundamental only? Happy weekend. Weiyan
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Hi Weiyan, My comment (in brackets) follows your review: The base: A3-E4: OK (hmmm... lots of movement) E4-A4: Seems beats ok, seems too just. The interval may reversed. (yes) A3-D4: Little bit slow (yes) D4-A4: OK (tune it closer to just) A3-A4: too wide (I'm not sure, inverted?) Thirds: A3-C#4: OK (a bit sweet) A#3-D4: Ok (yes) B3-D#4: slow (yes) C4-E4: Ok (very very tense) C#4-F4: ok (sweet) D4-F#4: slow (very tense) D#4-G4: slow (Ok) E4-G#4: slow (yes) F4-A4: ok. (a bit sweet) Fourths: A3-D4: slow (yes) A#3-D#4: fast (yes) B3-E4: OK (a hair slow) C4-F4: fast (yes) C#4-F#4: little fast (yes) D4-G4: Slow (yes) D#4-G#4: slow (yes) E4-A4: seems ok (slow, tune it around 2-3 bps, double check the base-intervals side) Fifths: A3-E4; OK (lots of movement) A#3-F4: OK (yes) B3-F#4: fast (yes) C4-G4: fast (yes, very fast) C#4-G#4: ok (yes, a hair too just) D4-A4: wavy, too fast (yes) This is second pass of previous tuning. Move a tiny hair if possible. I play the note while pushing up or pulling down the. In most case I can hear crack sound and feel the pin move. Not sure if this technique is stable. Confirm the direction of interval by slightly pushing up twisting the pin, then set back. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/chas-13-oct-2012A3-A4: inverted? A3-E4: Ok E4-A4: Too just A3-D4: Little bit slow D4-A4: Tune it closer to just http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/thirds-13-oct-2012..."B3-D#4 sounds strange"... Very good, you have improved your previous tuning, nothing wrong with B3-D#4. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fourths-13-oct-2012..."D#4-G#4 sounds strange"... D#4-G#4 is too just, as for the rest I'll wait for your review. http://soundcloud.com/weiyan-1/fifths-13-oct-2012..."A#3-F4 seems very fast."... Very good, A#3-F4 is a bit too narrow, check C#4-F4... sweet. If you like, review this too. ..."The perception of beat rate not the same between recording and the piano."... Yes, good training. ..."Sometimes there are many "layers" of beats."... True. ..."Should I listen to the fundamental only?"... In general, follow the main beat, the louder, the most evident: so doing, depending on the interval, you'll be listening to the matchings of the smallest partials. To All, have a nice Sunday, a.c. .
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The base: A3-E4: OK E4-A4: Seems beats ok, seems too just. The interval may reversed. A3-D4: Little bit slower D4-A4: OK A3-A4: too wide Thirds: A3-C#4: OK A#3-D4: Ok B3-D#4: slow C4-E4: Ok C#4-F4: ok D4-F#4: slow D#4-G4: slow E4-G#4: slow F4-A4: ok. Fourths: A3-D4: slow A#3-D#4: fast B3-E4: OK C4-F4: fast C#4-F#4: little fast D4-G4: Slow D#4-G#4: slow E4-A4: seems ok Fifths: A3-E4; OK A#3-F4: OK B3-F#4: fast C4-G4: fast C#4-G#4: ok D4-A4: wavy, too fast Follow the tuning sequence fine tune it with respect to the wrong intervals. Perhaps email would be more appropriate for this conversation? Only purpose I see to dump this interarction here is to get hits on the keyword "CHAS". Kees Although I am interested in following Weiyan's progress with aural tuning, I agree with DoelKees about email contact being more appropriate for this kind of detail. Weiyan, please inform us of your general progress from time to time.
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Although I am interested in following Weiyan's progress with aural tuning, I agree with DoelKees about email contact being more appropriate for this kind of detail. Weiyan, please inform us of your general progress from time to time. Thanks for the support. To get M3's to be progressive has nothing to do with CHAS, even if CHAS existed (which I argue does not). I consider this thread to be 100% SPAM. Kees
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Perhaps email would be more appropriate for this conversation? Only purpose I see to dump this interarction here is to get hits on the keyword "CHAS". Kees
I consider this thread to be 100% SPAM. Kees
Alfredo and Weiyan are entitled to communicate in this thread however and whenever they like just as anyone else is entitled to ignore the thread if they dislike the content. No member of this forum is forcing anyone else to endure reading anything at all. If you are of the opinion this thread 100% spam why are you commenting here? Most people I know ignore or delete spam. They do not return repeatedly to read more.
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Perhaps email would be more appropriate for this conversation? Only purpose I see to dump this interarction here is to get hits on the keyword "CHAS". Kees
I consider this thread to be 100% SPAM. Kees
Alfredo and Weiyan are entitled to communicate in this thread however and whenever they like just as anyone else is entitled to ignore the thread if they dislike the content. No member of this forum is forcing anyone else to endure reading anything at all. If you are of the opinion this thread 100% spam why are you commenting here? Most people I know ignore or delete spam. They do not return repeatedly to read more. Quit stalking me, Silverwood. Kees
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It's really pretty easy...
Click on the user's name... Click on "View Profile".. When their profile comes up, there are four options above their profile information... Click on "Ignore this User"
I've been CHAS - free ever since!
Do it. It's very empowering.
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It's really pretty easy...
Click on the user's name... Click on "View Profile".. When their profile comes up, there are four options above their profile information... Click on "Ignore this User"
I've been CHAS - free ever since!
Do it. It's very empowering.
Chris S. Thanks for the suggestion. Problem is that I am still interested in CHAS discussions, which is why I follow this thread. All I see here is what should be private emails between a student and his teacher, covering very basic things like hearing beats. It has nothing whatsoever to do with CHAS. If it's really of interest to anyone else they should make a special "teaching" thread. Alfredo had a habit of taking posts from other threads and replying to them in some CHAS thread. I believe this is done to create the impression CHAS is an active topic of discussion. I think the recent content of this tread is a manifestation of the same practice. Kees
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This from a rank beginner.
Do you realize how wonderful it is for the novice to have daily lessons on hearing intervals, keeping track of subtle differences?
They sure don't post the like over on the pianist or piano corners of the forum.
This is the place I come for that, and it's extremely valuable for me to hear these things... ear training, a lesson a day.
I do appreciate this thread.
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