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#1972918 - 10/13/12 08:38 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Rickster]  
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
the forum is moderated--- and not, as far as I know, by self-appointment to the job.

If that is the case, why don't you make yourself a moderator? For someone who seems to be so confident in what you are talking about, you don't know what you are talking about.

In fact, if you disapprove of the way this forum is, or is not, moderated, why don’t you find another internet forum in which to participate where you do approve of the moderators.

Rick


Rick,

I would politely suggest that you read Jeff's comments again. I think you interpreted them completely wrong.


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#1972931 - 10/13/12 09:03 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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Rick,

I agree with Turandot. If anything, Jeff Cleff was being supportive of the way the forum is moderated and if you felt that a line had been crossed with this thread, you would end it. His use of the word "not" is so very important.


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#1972934 - 10/13/12 09:12 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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I agree with Tur and Marty as well. Rick, if anyone ought to be reprimanded on this thread it's Ploverus for his incessant attempts at policing these forums. I'm VERY grateful that he is not a moderator...



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#1972936 - 10/13/12 09:30 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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There's many companies out there that would deserve some kind of a congratulatory note.

There's some that have achieved things in over hundred years, others in 50-60 years and still some others in only 10.

The real congratulations IMHO belong to the artists and musicians who find joy in whatever they happen to play on.

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#1972947 - 10/13/12 10:10 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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Okay... you guys are right and I owe Jeff an apology. Sorry, Jeff, I misread your comments. How embarrassing. Hey, what else can I say… smile

I have an improvement plan for not making the same mistake twice… yoga exercises before logging on to Piano World… laugh

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, gents! I stand corrected.

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#1972958 - 10/13/12 11:18 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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No, not taking a shot at the mods, Rick--- the opposite. Maybe I didn't write clearly, but I didn't want to call P.Lover.Us down, by name and throw gasoline on a burning house. It seemed to me as if the thread had already been hijacked enough from an innocent (if clumsy) birthday announcement, to a machine-gun nest where the guy would try to pick a fight with anyone who had a kind word to say about Yamaha. That, I can't figure out; there must be some backstory I don't know about.

Anyway, I'm sorry to have added to it, even unintentionally, by writing in a way that could be misinterpreted. It would have been better to have ignored the whole thread.

I hope you know that, if I did have some issue to discuss, I would message you privately. But, I do not.


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#1972961 - 10/13/12 11:27 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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Congratulations to Yamaha! I've helped them to celebrate by purchasing a C3X!

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#1973010 - 10/14/12 03:54 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Melodialworks Music]  
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Originally Posted by Melodialworks Music
Congratulations to Yamaha! I've helped them to celebrate by purchasing a C3X!

Lawrence


I'm confident that is the sort of acknowledgement Yamaha prefers!

#1973028 - 10/14/12 06:05 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Jeff Clef]  
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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
It seemed to me as if the thread had already been hijacked enough from an innocent (if clumsy) birthday announcement, to a machine-gun nest where the guy would try to pick a fight with anyone who had a kind word to say about Yamaha.
I made it clear several times on this thread that it was the style of the announcement("sycophantic ecstasy" to use another poster's description)that I disagreed with. Had it been a straight forward announcement about Yamaha's 125th anniversary or launch of the new CX series I wouldn't have given it any thought. Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.

Some posters disagreed with me but added gratuitous comments that were obnoxious, sarcastic, and mean spirited("get a life, relax, nit picking, it must be immensely satisfying, grow up," etc.). Those were the posters who picked the fight.

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#1973054 - 10/14/12 07:40 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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Congratulations to Yamaha - I've had an association with them for 35 of those years, and bought quite a few products from them.


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#1973120 - 10/14/12 11:15 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.


But there's the rub.

Implicit in the statement that many posters agreed with you is the idea that you agreed with them. Do you agree that the topic itself was "nauseating"? Do you agree that the retailer was in sycophantic ecstasy? Did the opening post make you "want to puke"? I doubt it, but in defending your own opinion by taking a head count of less than a handful of members who decided to climb aboard your negative comment and do some stomping, you overlooked the fact that their comments did not reflect your judgment that it was just a matter of style and that a simple announcement would have been fine.

You could have disassociated yourself from the excess, but you didn't. You embraced it by twice posting a head count of those who in your judgment agreed with you. You've been around here for more than ten years. You should know better.

Although the opening post seemed awkward and a little misdirected, it is completely reasonable to assume that a retailer who represents Yamaha has much to be happy about and much to be thankful for. It doesn't hurt to have the acknowledged market leader in a product category available in your shop. It doesn't hurt to be associated with the industry standard for consistency of product, service, and customer satisfaction. If you don't agree with those points, check it out on pianobuyer.

Even in a an environment as jaded as this forum, it should be possible for a retailer representing Yamaha to take some pride in that association and salute the company on its anniversary without getting chewed out for it. The privilege should not be reserved for your few preferred retailers who post everything here from their house brands to their consultancies or artist associations.

I criticized you for twice posting a head count of the few who agreed with you, nothing more than that. I tried to do it in a humorous way, but experience shows that any criticism you receive will be received as obnoxious and mean-spirited. If you're looking for blame here, look no further than yourself.


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#1973138 - 10/14/12 11:39 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: turandot]  
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Originally Posted by turandot
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.


But there's the rub.

Implicit in the statement that many posters agreed with you is the idea that you agreed with them.
Not really. If I say Bosendorfers are great and someone else says Bosendorfers are great and the moon is made of cheese, I think they've agreed with me.

To agree with me, all they had to do is express a negative view of the first post. It doesn't mean their level of negativity has to match mine and be expressed in the same words.


Originally Posted by Turandot
I criticized you for twice posting a head count of the few who agreed with you, nothing more than that. I tried to do it in a humorous way, but experience shows that any criticism you receive will be received as obnoxious and mean-spirited.
"Few"? Actually I think the "vote" has been about equal on this thread with my side holding a slight lead. I'd post an exact count but...

I posted the head count because those critical of me had acted like my view was something totally outrageous yet plenty of other posters had agreed with me and often in far stronger words.

As far as your humor goes, I don't think your post was meant to be humorous in some friendly way based on your posts over the last ten years and based the words you used. I don't think the specific comments I quoted earlier from posts by you and a few others could be reasonably construed that way at all. There has only been a handful(three that I can recall) of posters at PW whose posts I have described as mean spirited/obnoxious. Some of those whose posts I described using those words I think have consistently been that way to many posters.

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#1973152 - 10/14/12 12:17 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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You wanna talk about YOUR posts over the last several years plover?
I think many here would agree that the overwhelming majority of your posts have been critical of how others choose to communicate.
Quite often the subtext of what I read in your posts is 'why did you choose to say THIS, when you should have said THIS?' Well let me pose this question to you: What validates your opinion of how others should choose to communicate as the right way?
And now I'll give you the answer: NOTHING!!
No one here cares what you think in that respect so stop telling people how to express themselves.
This is not a court of law or socialist dictatorship. And you are certainly not the Supreme Court judge here.
You're the one who's been obnoxious all along, tainting 80% of the threads you post on with non-contributing judgement.
Go start your own internet forum if you want to tell people how to talk to each other.
Otherwise, realize that when you do it here your gonna have people like me flipping you a big 'ol cyber middle finger.



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#1973154 - 10/14/12 12:18 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Actually I think the "vote" has been about equal on this thread with my side holding a slight lead. I'd post an exact count but...



So it really does come down to this for you.

Although your dodging of the questions asked is disappointing in some ways, in other ways it is illuminating. Your further comments about the 'vote" are consistent with your approach to things in general on this forum and should be enlightening to those who try mightily to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think anything further needs to be written here, at least not by me.


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#1973163 - 10/14/12 12:37 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: turandot]  
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Originally Posted by turandot

I don't think anything further needs to be written here, at least not by me.
Good

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#1973168 - 10/14/12 12:44 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: AJF]  
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Originally Posted by AJF
You wanna talk about YOUR posts over the last several years plover?
I think many here would agree that the overwhelming majority of your posts have been critical of how others choose to communicate.
Quite often the subtext of what I read in your posts is 'why did you choose to say THIS, when you should have said THIS?' Well let me pose this question to you: What validates your opinion of how others should choose to communicate as the right way?
And now I'll give you the answer: NOTHING!!
No one here cares what you think in that respect so stop telling people how to express themselves.
This is not a court of law or socialist dictatorship. And you are certainly not the Supreme Court judge here.
You're the one who's been obnoxious all along, tainting 80% of the threads you post on with non-contributing judgement.
Go start your own internet forum if you want to tell people how to talk to each other.
Otherwise, realize that when you do it here your gonna have people like me flipping you a big 'ol cyber middle finger.
My opinion of how others should post is just my opinion and I never claimed otherwise. Your wrong about my posts, and I think each and every one of your posts on this thread make it clear who has the egregiously wrong tone. Your very first post began saying my post was "ridiculous" and suggesting I "relax". There's more nastiness in just your last post then 100 of my most "offensive" posts.

To avoid carpel tunnel, my last post on this thread.


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#1973184 - 10/14/12 01:33 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]  
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Having re-read the original post, I didn't think it was self-serving in any way, just someone who was proud of their association with a successful product. Nothing more.

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