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#1969264 - 10/05/12 09:53 PM This is why I own a Nord...  
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Morning folks,

I saw this great video over on the Nord User Forum, and thought I'd post it over here too. wink



Sure, Nords tend to be a little pricier than similar boards from Korg, Kurzweil, etc. however in my opinion it's money very well spent!

[hugs his Electros]

James
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#1969282 - 10/05/12 11:25 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Thanks for the post James!

I'm looking at a C2D in my near future. I like the sound of the Mojo but I think being a junior keyboard player the C2D will work great for me!


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#1969295 - 10/06/12 12:20 AM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Poud to say I own one...my 3rd one and counting! Thanks for sharing James, awesome vid!


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#1969339 - 10/06/12 03:58 AM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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I agree. I have a Korg Kronos, a Nord Stage 2 and a Privia PX-330. All have their purposes and uses. However, nothing holds a candle to a Nord in terms of build quality, authentic pianos
and keybed action.

One look at this video I did on my Nord Stage 2 should convince anyone about the sound quality of the pianos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycwaO-bWgpY


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#1969393 - 10/06/12 10:23 AM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
I agree. I have a Korg Kronos, a Nord Stage 2 and a Privia PX-330. All have their purposes and uses. However, nothing holds a candle to a Nord in terms of build quality, authentic pianos
and keybed action.

One look at this video I did on my Nord Stage 2 should convince anyone about the sound quality of the pianos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycwaO-bWgpY



I can understand you speaking highly of the sound quality of Nord gear, but suggesting the Nord has superior actions to other brands is just wishful thinking. Nord (Fatar) actions are basic at best.

#1969482 - 10/06/12 03:03 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: ando]  
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Fatar makes more than one keybed. The Kronos (Korg's flagship workstation) had a ton of keybed problems (also Fatar) to the point that they had to replace everyone's keybed once they came up with a newer revision of the keybed.

#1969488 - 10/06/12 03:14 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Makes me want to start a keyboard factory!


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#1969517 - 10/06/12 04:52 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Fatar makes more than one keybed. The Kronos (Korg's flagship workstation) had a ton of keybed problems (also Fatar) to the point that they had to replace everyone's keybed once they came up with a newer revision of the keybed.


Pointing out that Korg had quality control problems with their keybeds doesn't elevate the Nord action to any superior level. Roland, Yamaha, Kawai and even Casio make nicer actions than the ones found in Nords. It is Nord's achilles heel for pianists. They make up for it by trying harder in other areas.

#1969520 - 10/06/12 05:00 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: ando]  
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No, my point is that many of the higher end keyboards use Fatar, whether its the Nord Stage 2 88 or the Kronos 88... these manufacturers don't seem to think Fatar keybeds are "basic" at all! I have both. I also have a Privia PX-330 and while I like the action on it as well, I prefer the Nord over all of them and do not consider them "basic". Never did like Roland's action, although that's starting to change recently. I play a Kawai baby grand piano in the lobby of a medical facility and consider the action on that keybed "basic".

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#1969523 - 10/06/12 05:12 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
No, my point is that many of the higher end keyboards use Fatar, whether its the Nord Stage 2 or the Kronos... these manufacturers don't seem to think Fatar keybeds are bad at all! I have both. I also have a Privia PX-330 and while I like the action on it as well, I prefer the Nord over all of them. Never did like Roland's action, although that's starting to change recently.


The Korg RH3 action in the Kronos and some of their DPs is a Korg product, not Fatar. Korg did source Fatar actions on some models. I think the RH3 is a better action (when it's working properly!). It's a personal thing of course, but the weighted keyboard action of the Nord has been consistently described as disappointing by serious pianists. As a jack of all trades for other sounds, it does a good job though, and it is good enough to be able to control the piano sound accurately. Just not especially agile, and not built for fast repeats.

#1969524 - 10/06/12 05:15 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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The Kronos has a Fatar keybed ?? That's new to me, isn't it the usual Korg suspect - their own RH 3 that has been around for a while.

The Fatar TP keybeds on the Nord certainly seem a little bit more tight than you normally find with fatar s, but I think that's due to their own quality control, ore perhaps special requests to Fatar. But still not the best on the market. Simply good and reliable is a better term.

The nEw c2d looks and sounds great. I think it's the best there is for a gigging organ player, especially since its really portable.

#1969537 - 10/06/12 05:51 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: JFP]  
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Hmmm... perhaps I was given some bad info there, it was my understanding that Fatar was used in the development somehow. I could be wrong though!

#1969543 - 10/06/12 06:01 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
I play a Kawai baby grand piano in the lobby of a medical facility and consider the action on that keybed "basic".


Acoustic pianos require regular tuning and maintenance in order to remain in good playing condition.

Kind regards,
James
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#1969566 - 10/06/12 07:12 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Eh, robots could do it faster and cheaper.
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#1969567 - 10/06/12 07:19 PM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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I played a Nord Piano and was unimpressed with the keyboard action. I think it's a great idea and a great company, I just think the keyboard action was less than great.




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Originally Posted by dje31
Eh, robots could do it faster and cheaper.

It's very difficult to find Swedish-speaking robots. wink


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#1969687 - 10/07/12 05:36 AM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: PianoManChuck]  
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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Hmmm... perhaps I was given some bad info there, it was my understanding that Fatar was used in the development somehow. I could be wrong though!

The Korg RH3 has nothing to do with Fatar it is a development of the old Technics DP action that Korg purchased some years ago. The Fatar actions in the Nord's are not exactly great when compared to the competition.


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#1969735 - 10/07/12 09:10 AM Re: This is why I own a Nord... [Re: Kawai James]  
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The Nord design is definately one of the best on the market, I particularly like the pitch stick, that's a brilliant idea! To bad Clavia's VA-synths sound really poor IMO, try to play them as a real musical instrument (like Emerson, Corea, Hancock, not for techno/dance/pop-sounds), it just plastic sound to me, very static and unmusical.
Their Nord Stage Piano is definately a better deal IMO, and is a very convenient package, and the sound quality is constantly improving, but still...I've always found the Clavia sound a bit "anemic", although they are very popular of course.
You can hear when a fusion/rock/progrock band uses the Nord Electro/Stage Piano, that squashed and thin overdrive sound with Clavias hammonds and rhodes have never been a favourite of mine.
The hammond+leslie engine was greatly improved with the C1 and C2(D), but there's still something lacking there.
Convenient yes, truly great sounding no.


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